Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
Dorian Gray would be twice the player "J-lingz" will ever be, never mind Andy or Demari.
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BullensRoad
Player Valuation: £15m
If he plays like he did at West Ham, worth it.
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
We offered JonJoe Kenny a new contract (apparently?!?); I'm surprised our boardroom baffoons haven't offered to make the team kit on his clothing line as part of the deal tbh.
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
If he played throughout the duration of his contract like that one-off 6 month loan spell a year n half ago, yes.
If he played like the other 11.5 years of his professional career, being a bit-part player, coasting along, getting a few mintues here and there, filling in here and there, then no.
BullensRoad
Player Valuation: £15m
No coincidence it was when he was loaned out to another prem team, no?
United have been a circus.
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
Not in JL's entire time there they haven't. He's a 29 year old player who has had 1 good six month spell in his entire career, yet never really established himself as a first team regualr let alone a set position. Is that really what we should be basing our transfer plans on. (Plus there's the no-doubt ridiculous wages he's going to want, hence the offering himself to everyone in USA, Saudi Arabia and inbetween). Just another joker wanting a pay day IMO.
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
If you think that's going to be epic, wait until his bestest guy pal Marcus joins as well on deadline day.
Two absolute jokers fresh out the United circus for the price of six. It's the Everton way.
The social media and marketing department
Demonstrably true.
Take the most recent season:
Lingard: 21 games, 2 goals 1 assist.
Gray: 39 games, 6 goals, 5 assists.
Gray played almost twice as many games as Lingard, but scored three times as many goals and made five times as many assists. Plus he's on a lower wage and he's over three years younger.
Compare their respective Prem league career figures if you like:
Lingard: 165 games, 29 goals, 17 assists.
Gray: 167 games, 15 goals, 15 assists.
Now that does initially make the case for Lingard a bit better... but he's five months away from being 30, and a year removed from his best season. That season included a VERY atypical 16 game stretch on loan to West Ham where he scored 9 goals and made 5 assists. The reason I describe it as atypical? Luckily maths helps explain this.
If you extrapolate that short stretch in order to try to get a rough indication of likely productivity over a longer period, you could use a simple multiplier of ten. 16 games, 9 goals, 5 assists x 10 extrapolates to 160 games, 90 goals and 50 assists. THAT player would be incredible. We'd all take THAT guy. But we also know from our overall knowledge of football that it doesn't work that way. We would, in fact, be very happy with someone who racked up 40 goals and 30 assists in 160 games... but Lingard actually HAS career figures to look at: 165 games, 29 goals 17 assists. Not so impressive.
Now remove the West Ham loan, and what do you see? 149 games, 20 goals, 12 assists. THAT'S what Jesse Lingard extrapolates to: maybe 5 goals and 4 assists in a prem season IF he plays 38 games. The West ham loan was an abnormal statistical outlier. He'll never recreate that level of productivity, it's miles out of kilter with his career norms.
Gray is currently better. We already have Gray, and he's on a normal wage. And he just had his best domestic season ever.
Lingard is older, worse, and wants to earn at least £30k p/w MORE than our current highest-paid players.
When the dust is settled and both of them are retired, Gray will have the better career stats. Because he's currently hitting the best form of his career and he's 26, whereas Lingard's stats show he peaked fifteen months ago and he's about to turn 30.
Gray may not be good enough for what we want for our club. But he's better than Jesse Lingard by some margin.
We agree about neither being the right quality, perhaps we should leave it at that ….
BullensRoad
Player Valuation: £15m
I'm giving Franck and Thelwell the benefit of the doubt for now (still hopeful on Dele) but I can understand skepticism.
Imagine how epic the reveal video will be
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
A fair take I suppose.
Personally I'm very far from convinced by KT (and Lamps to some degree), but let's wait til transfer window closes to judge that one.
As for JL: 29 year old "celebrities" who occassionally pretend to be footballers looking for a payday is not who we should be going after IMO. As for Dele: huge season for him. Either he kickstarts his career and gets back to something like the early Spurs days, or we're stuck with another waster on probably top end wages for a few years.
Colonel Getafe
Player Valuation: £25m
we'd probably be selling it in the club shop. on VHS. your's for only 19.99 (24.99 if you want a signed copy by Mark Pembridge).
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