Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[tsubaki]

This is quite an alarming statement.

Like the pronouncements from Delphi, he is probably right but not at all in the way he thinks he is.

I don’t want to repeat Iranian propaganda but they said yesterday that countries in the region shouldn’t back a losing horse. We shouldn’t either, he is going to destroy his own country if he isnt removed.

 

[LostLegend]

It’s an interesting point. Not in any way trying to be a Hamas apologist here, what they did was frankly horrendous, but the ‘rape’ allegations that have suddenly cropped up don’t seem to match with the speed and ferocity of the attack itself.

The sources seem somewhat dubious as well.

 

[BlueToff]

 

[BlueToff]

Apparently, those notorious warmongers Luxembourg, Denmark, and Ireland had their suggestion to include language about preventing escalation thrown out of the EU statement.

This is very dangerous. People in those counties and in the wider EU who are upset at this might begin to question their support for those countries that the EU deems worthy of support.

Almost like the EU isn't the idealistic organisation that people who put a trading bloc's flag on their Twitter bios think it is...

 

[tsubaki]

It’s an interesting point. Not in any way trying to be a Hamas apologist here, what they did was frankly horrendous, but the ‘rape’ allegations that have suddenly cropped up don’t seem to match with the speed and ferocity of the attack itself.

The sources seem somewhat dubious as well.

Without knowing more its difficult to say - I agree it seems unlikely, and these sorts of claims have been made in the past (like at the Bataclan horror) but reports said they had a lot of time there (to murder so many people over a wide area suggests a lot of time to do it) and it might not have been the fighting people who did it; in WW2 it was usually the rear echelon troops who carried out massacres, rapes, looting and so on. They probably had people whose job it was to attack, and others whose job it was to do the transport of the captured / wounded etc.

 

[tsubaki]

As an aside, the Commons has actually voted to recognise Palestine as a state (back in 2014) - the then government ignored it.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Human animals is a) a horrible phrase in and of itself and b) extremely concerning. Its classic othering and denying people their humanity, often the precursor to some utterly terrible acts including genocide.

 

[Taifi gorm]

It’s an interesting point. Not in any way trying to be a Hamas apologist here, what they did was frankly horrendous, but the ‘rape’ allegations that have suddenly cropped up don’t seem to match with the speed and ferocity of the attack itself.

The sources seem somewhat dubious as well.

Can't rule out the dregs of ISIS and other extermists and scumbag opportunists following in their wake.
Which will make it even harder to recover alot of the captives. Won't even be dealing with Hamas in some instances. ( That's providing netanyah even cares enough to try)

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I agree entirely about the massive problems they’d have if they went in, but Bibi and the gang around him are mad enough, and personally at risk enough, to want a bloodbath.

I note with alarm that he’s still not agreed a national unity government, even with the opposition agreeing to back him in exchange for binning off the lunatics and freezing his constitutional changes (which have caused so much division over there).

Do you think that’s why Hamas took all those prisoners? To entice the IDF into a ground war in Gaza?

It would be an absolute hell hole and make Fallujah look like a walk in the park.

After all the one real weakness Israel has is troop numbers. Finite supply and all that.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Human animals is a) a horrible phrase in and of itself and b) extremely concerning. Its classic othering and denying people their humanity, often the precursor to some utterly terrible acts including genocide.

Egypt and Saudis apparently saying that they gave warnings. The Israeli leadership surely didn't ignore all the signs.

 

[Drico]

Almost like the EU isn't the idealistic organisation that people who put a trading bloc's flag on their Twitter bios think it is...

You'd need to be very naive to think any regional power was - but it is undoubtedly the best of the current crop. Of that I have no doubt - which is why today is rather disappointing.

 

[Zatara]

"They respond by aiding in the destruction of Hamas." oh right, Israel will just return the land then will they??

Who in israel is going to speak to Palestine for peace talks after what just happened?

Hamas needs to be terminated before any doors open on israels side.

Im pretty confident about that.

 

[Drico]

Well, this mirrors my earlier point. Many of us in the EU have had to make certain sacrifices - rightly - to support the poor Ukrainians. Many of us - who utterly condemn the terrorists of Hamas and their depraved violence - are wondering why we are supposed to effectively ignore what has happened and will happen to Palestinian civilians. Why is the EU projecting the Israeli flag on its buildings if it hopes to act as a mediator? Of course, we know the answer. It has no interest in acting as a mediator. The EU is a triumph in so many ways - but it is, by design, deeply flawed in many others. I fear that the collective EU response to Ukraine - one which pretty much only the headbanger Hungarian government opposes - is going to be damaged by what appears to be a selective application of justice. Certainly the general public might take some issue with such choosy humanitarianism.

 

[PhilM]

Do you think that’s why Hamas took all those prisoners? To entice the IDF into a ground war in Gaza?

It would be an absolute hell hole and make Fallujah look like a walk in the park.

After all the one real weakness Israel has is troop numbers. Finite supply and all that.

Hamas have taken Israeli prisoners before, and typically it’s been a bargaining tool: we’ll return your soldiers if you release a few hundred prisoners.

It’s took a while for the negotiations to be successful, but it often worked. This may be different although I doubt it completely.

 

[mightymoyes]

Who in israel is going to speak to Palestine for peace talks after what just happened?

Hamas needs to be terminated before any doors open on israels side.

Im pretty confident about that.

The Israeli govt needs terminated.
They can talk to Hamas when they're both in court for war crimes