Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[bluestevon]

FWIW to call them an “aid agency” is a bit misleading - they are an official UN entity set up by the direction of the General Assembly and continually re-authorized since.

If they’d banned an aid agency like MAP or Islamic Relief that would be one thing but this puts the Israeli state in a clear and unarguable breach of international law. The General Assembly, and probably even the Security Council (provided the resolution is worded right) are not likely to stand for it.

Has the un security council on its history ever actually voted against anything Israel has ever done mate, or does either the US or UK always ensure the vote fails?

 

[d34noj]

Weird

Can you remember the part where I asked how does it constitute a genocide? genuine question.

Instead of again, crying about it like @Armaghtoffee give me a clear definitive answer. Neither of us know all the facts so i'll give you an opinion CALMLY - then you do the same.

I don't want to be responsible for you having a heart attack.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Can you remember the part where I asked how does it constitute a genocide? genuine question.

Instead of again, crying about it like @Armaghtoffee give me a clear definitive answer. Neither of us know all the facts so i'll give you an opinion CALMLY - then you do the same.

I don't want to be responsible for you having a heart attack.

fill your boots (and hopefully now stop with the weird denial)

Is Israel Committing Genocide in Gaza? New Report from BU School of Law’s International Human Rights Clinic Lays Out Case

The report comes from researchers at the University Network for Human Rights, a consortium of human right centers

www.bu.edu

I would like to add - this was June, it has got a lot worse since.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Can you remember the part where I asked how does it constitute a genocide? genuine question.

Instead of again, crying about it like @Armaghtoffee give me a clear definitive answer. Neither of us know all the facts so i'll give you an opinion CALMLY - then you do the same.

I don't want to be responsible for you having a heart attack.

If it makes you feel better about it buddy, call it ethnic cleansing if you wish.

 

[d34noj]

fill your boots (and hopefully now stop with the weird denial)

Is Israel Committing Genocide in Gaza? New Report from BU School of Law’s International Human Rights Clinic Lays Out Case

The report comes from researchers at the University Network for Human Rights, a consortium of human right centers

www.bu.edu

If it makes you feel better about it buddy, call it ethnic cleansing if you wish.

Not an single answer from the pair of you.

I can sit and read 100 different correspondents opinion of events, i've asked for yours. How does the war in Gaza constitute a genocide when the growth rate is 3%? that's like an anti-genocide.

Genuine question.

 

[bluestevon]

Is it a genocide? ethnic cleansing maybe but a genocide in it's current definition it isn't - there's been more babies born in the area than people killed, so they're doing a pretty terrible job at it, plus they have the capacity to turn the entire place into a barren wasteland with their air force - they aren't?

The civilian-to-target ratio is the lowest of any war - estimated at 2:1, even with the human shields - partially due to roof knocking and leaflet dropping. If they had genocidal intent would they do that?

Genuine question - As I say, I'm neither for or against either side.

There's currently another war going on with a far far far lower civilian to target ratio.

Is what we are seeing in the Levant, Genocide, no it frankly isn't, calking it such is losing completely the meaning of the word abd somewhat hyperbolic. What it is though is a clear attempt by Israel to drive the Palestinians permanently out of the areas they currently possess and to take those territories as Israeli land in perpetuity though, and to do so by making it intolerable to remain.

If they refuse to go, then ultimately we will see just how far Israel is prepared to go beyond what it currently has to achieve it's aims, then the question of genocide could indeed be a valid one.

 

[d34noj]

There's currently another war going on with a far far far lower civilian to target ratio.

Is what we are seeing in the Levant, Genocide, no it frankly isn't, calking it such is losing completely the meaning of the word and somewhat hyperbolic. What it is though is a clear attempt by Israel to drive the Palestinians permanently out of the areas they currently possess and to take those territories as Israeli land in perpetuity though, and to do so by making it intolerable to remain.

If they refuse to go, then ultimately we will see just how far Israel is prepared to go beyond what it currently has to achieve it's aims, then the question of genocide could indeed be a valid one.

In other words.... Ethnic cleansing.

 

[bluestevon]

I don’t need to look anything up. The targeting of children and innocent civilians along with the obliteration of schools; hospitals and refugee camps tells me all I need to know.

By that metric the British committed genocide during world war two on multiple occasions, including the much cheered on dam busters raid and more clearly the fire bombing of Dresden.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Not an single answer from the pair of you.

I can sit and read 100 different correspondents opinion of events, i've asked for yours. How does the war in Gaza constitute a genocide when the growth rate is 3%? that's like an anti-genocide.

Genuine question.

The link explains why it is a genocide ffs

Genocide is not just births - weird, weird thing to say but the 3% was obviously before the slaughter.

Based on the data, the estimated growth rate in Gaza Strip for 2023 will decrease from about 2.7%, according to PCBS estimates for 2023, to only about 1% during 2024. After mid-2024, mortality and birth rates will decrease very significantly as a result of couples’ tendency not to have children as a result of the recent conditions, and out of fear for the health of mothers and children, in addition to the decrease in the number of new marriages after and during the Israeli occupation aggression, which reached very low levels.

Now will you call it genocide?? Awaits another pathetic caveat

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

By that metric the British committed genocide during world war two on multiple occasions, including the much cheered on dam busters raid and more clearly the fire bombing of Dresden.

Bomber Harris has a lot to answer for!

 

[Zatara]

what are you ranting about you racist fool - no one listens

I pasted and clearly you didnt read it.

@d34noj I see has also posted facts. You dont seem to undersrand it.

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You ok mate?

He's too far gone...its the Manchurian candidate all over again.

Not an single answer from the pair of you.

I can sit and read 100 different correspondents opinion of events, i've asked for yours. How does the war in Gaza constitute a genocide when the growth rate is 3%? that's like an anti-genocide.

Genuine question.

I dont think it could be classed as ethnic cleansing either if there is a positive growth rate of the same ethnicity.

 

[d34noj]

The link explains why it is a genocide ffs

Genocide is not just births - weird, weird thing to say but the 3% was obviously before the slaughter.

Based on the data, the estimated growth rate in Gaza Strip for 2023 will decrease from about 2.7%, according to PCBS estimates for 2023, to only about 1% during 2024. After mid-2024, mortality and birth rates will decrease very significantly as a result of couples’ tendency not to have children as a result of the recent conditions, and out of fear for the health of mothers and children, in addition to the decrease in the number of new marriages after and during the Israeli occupation aggression, which reached very low levels.

Now will you call it genocide?? Awaits another pathetic caveat

I'm not interested in your copy and paste answer mate, I can read everyone else's opinion freely. I want your opinion.

As for growth rate decreasing by 2.7% - that will still yield an increase per annum of 0.3%, as for the bolded bit - that's not fact, that's conjecture.

50,000 births since the start of the war - 1 every 10 minutes. The population is increasing.



'Awaits another pathetic caveat' - Keep it civil mate, I am.

 

[d34noj]

I pasted and clearly you didnt read it.

@d34noj I see has also posted facts. You dont seem to undersrand it.



He's too far gone...its the Manchurian candidate all over again.



I dont think it could be classed as ethnic cleansing either if there is a positive growth rate of the same ethnicity.

I'm basing my OPINION on the land-grabbing aspect of it mate. Ethnic cleansing can be in relation to an area being cleansed of a demographic. A genocide is a mass extermination of a demographic.

 

[Hackbread]

I'm not interested in your copy and paste answer mate, I can read everyone else's opinion freely. I want your opinion.

As for growth rate decreasing by 2.7% - that will still yield an increase per annum of 0.3%, as for the bolded bit - that's not fact, that's conjecture.

50,000 births since the start of the war - 1 every 10 minutes. The population is increasing.



'Awaits another pathetic caveat' - Keep it civil mate, I am.

I would say that definition of a genocide is more about intent than 'success'

Even if the population of the affected group is increasing overall, doesn't mean that genocidal intent is not present.

When using the ICJ's definition of genocide a huge factor is the intent to destroy.

In my opinion using the ICJ's definition I would say they are committing genocide. It comes down to alot more than just the slaughter of the people.

Myself as a farmer/land worker I read lots to do with how Israel's military operations are impacting Gazas farmers. And mate it's bleak reading.

The deliberate targeting and destruction of cropland, olive trees etc. think it's something like 40% of agricultural land in Gaza has been deliberately destroyed by the IDF since October, deliberate as they aren't just bombing it but bulldozing it to.

This would fall under on of the ICJ's criterias for genocide

"Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

Anyway this isn't me saying hey here's the concrete evidence this is genocide, just highlighting an aspect of the current situation (that I have a particular interest in) that could fall under the ICJ's definition.
One example among many.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Not an single answer from the pair of you.

I can sit and read 100 different correspondents opinion of events, i've asked for yours. How does the war in Gaza constitute a genocide when the growth rate is 3%? that's like an anti-genocide.

Genuine question.

Over 30 countries, including my own, describe Israel’s actions as genocide. The UN Special Rapporteur agreed. It’s not as if @Noisy noise annoys or I are holding an outlier position on this.

For your reference, airstrikes on refugee camps; forced displacement and denial of food/water would all fall under the banner of genocide. It won’t be hard for you to find examples of that.