Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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NeroCeasar said:
Take Cork out of your username, your disgracing my beautiful city with your bile on here. Go stand in Daunt Square and see how long you last spouting that nonsense. 5 mins max before you would kicked up and down the Coal Quay. Bring your Isreali flag to Turners Cross Friday week, see how long it takes for some lad in the shed to ram it up your hole.
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It would seem to be you who vilifies the beautiful city of Cork by presenting its residents as violent thugs.

Interesting username - is that the psychopathic Roman emperor who had a taste for young boys?
 
TIL that Israel was behind 9/11

Really, people, it’s not that hard to hold in one hand that Israel as a nation is doing historically terrible things while in the other hand hold that antisemitism is profound and inexcusable bigotry
 
Interesting article in the Times today from General Sir John McColl, the former deputy supreme allied commander of Nato.

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I fought in Iraq — I know Israel’s doing all it can to save civilians

The military’s rules of engagement in Gaza are at least as rigorous as those of the British Army, says a former Nato commander
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The pictures of horror are seared into our minds. The stories are part of our shared history. October 7, a brutal massacre of Israeli citizens, led by the Hamas terrorist organisation. And since then, an unremitting war between Israel and Hamas’s forces in the densely populated territory of Gaza.

Expressions of support and sympathy for Israel have rapidly turned into widespread criticism, including from allies. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) are accused of the reckless use of force and the murder of civilians, while international organisations have expressed concern about inadequate flows of aid.

Last week I visited Israel with a team of military experts from six Nato countries to see for myself. As a career officer, I served for 38 years in the British Army and have been in combat in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was deputy supreme allied commander of Nato.

Israeli soldiers have found tunnels with entrances in hospitals, children’s bedrooms, mosques and schools

I have seen war and know how difficult it can be to minimise civilian casualties. But I also know how hard we worked to do just that with our soldiers’ clear rules of engagement. Mistakes were made, but thankfully they were few and far between.

Basing my views about the Israel-Hamas war on UK media coverage, I arrived in Israel critical and sceptical of their military operations.

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Initially we were shown footage taken from Hamas headcams of heads being hacked off with knives and garden hoes, and of women and young children being shot while Hamas fighters laughed and celebrated. The brutality was shocking and a reminder of the depths of the fanatical hatred that stands in the way of any progress.

Our briefings on IDF operations came from senior field commanders and also included time in Rafah, in the Gaza Strip, observing troops in action.


The IDF said 1,500 aid trucks were flowing into the Gaza Strip but drone footage appeared to show Hamas intercepting supplies at gunpoint
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Firstly let me say that what we, military observers with decades of combined experience in leading Nato armies, were told and saw was the most complex and demanding operational environment any of us had come across, including in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The IDF commanders explained that underneath Gaza they have discovered 125 miles of tunnels, but believe that there could be in excess of 310 miles. The areas they have cleared have tunnel shaft entrances in houses, in children’s bedrooms, mosques, schools and hospitals. The tunnels are used for fighters to move around the urban areas, appearing behind and on the flanks of troops. Suicide bombers are a constant threat. Many of the houses and tunnel entrances are booby-trapped and civilians are used as human shields.

It means that in the confusion, regrettably, errors will occur. But the real problem is whether soldiers’ rules of engagement adhere to the law of armed conflict, whether they are being applied strictly, and whether when mistakes occur they are investigated thoroughly.

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Our briefing from the independent military legal directorate laid out in detail the rules designed to protect civilian life. The procedures are at least as rigorous as those applied in the UK armed forces. In addition, the Israeli military carries out civilian evacuations of war zones, forgoing the element of surprise, to which it would be entitled in armed conflict.

Phone calls and text messages to Gazan residents, loudhailers, leaflet drops and “knocking” on the roofs of targeted buildings with small non-lethal munitions to warn of an imminent strike are part of the IDF’s tactics to minimise civilian casualties.


The Israel Defence Forces are accused of the reckless use of force, but balance appears to be missing in the reporting of events

Accompanying troops in Rafah we found that the rules of engagement were being adhered to rigorously and that a significant number of engagements were being aborted because the clearance of civilians could not be verified.

The level of casualties in Gaza is significant and will undoubtedly result in criticism of the IDF. The alternative is to clear the buildings by hand with the inevitable loss of life that would entail, especially as Hamas terrorists wait for IDF entry to set off lethal booby traps via remote detonators. Rebuilding Gaza will take an enormous international effort.

The IDF briefed us that 1,500 aid trucks were flowing into the Gaza Strip weekly and gave assurances that the quantity of food and medical supplies that they carry is sufficient to meet the needs of those displaced.

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While it was not possible to verify these claims we did see a significant number of aid delivery trucks as we moved along the Philadelphi corridor near Rafah. We also saw drone video footage which appeared to show that some of the trucks entering Rafah and other towns were being intercepted at gunpoint by Hamas terrorists before reaching the refugees.

The perspectives that we gained were as a result of a relatively short visit; they are not comprehensive or definitive. However, they do indicate that there is balance missing in the reporting of events in Gaza.

In our discussions with senior officers, officials and politicians, including the defence minister and the prime minister, we urged them to open up the conduct of operations as fully as possible to objective media reporting.

There are obvious safety problems but they can and must be overcome. Journalists, too, must make a greater effort to report more accurately. I came away from the trip satisfied that the IDF’s operations and rules of engagement were rigorous compared to the British Army and our western allies.

War is terrible, but sometimes necessary. And Israeli soldiers are fighting in conditions of extraordinary complexity and risk. It’s time for the world to have its eyes opened to that.
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superblue123 said:
Interesting article in the Times today from General Sir John McColl, the former deputy supreme allied commander of Nato.

www.thetimes.com

I fought in Iraq — I know Israel’s doing all it can to save civilians

The military’s rules of engagement in Gaza are at least as rigorous as those of the British Army, says a former Nato commander
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com
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Obviously another shill! A civilian casualty rate of over 98% is all I need to hear to know the IDF are carrying out genocide.

Tens of thousands of incidents since the genocide began - I will believe those over one man
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superblue123 said:
What is there to dispute here? That the tunnel head was not in a children's bedroom? That hostages were not kept in tunnels? That hostages were not shot in the head as the IDF got near to releasing them?
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Ever since he IDF tried to pass the staged hamas weapons store in the hospital as real I just laugh at this kind of stuff. Only wanna-be idiots still fall for it.
 
superblue123 said:
Would love to know your source for a 98% civilian casualty rate.
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Human Rights Monitor Says 90% Killed by Israel in Gaza Were Civilians​

The Israeli military has admitted to a 66% civilian death rate, which it has called "tremendously positive."​





Israel's public admission that it has killed two civilians in the Gaza Strip for every Hamas militant—a roughly 66% noncombatant death rate—is a major understatement, according to an analysis released Tuesday by the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor.

Based on preliminary statistics, the Geneva-based nonprofit estimated that at least 90% of the people killed in Israel's assault on Gaza thus far have been civilians, a rate that exceeds those of the U.S. wars on Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan, as well as Russia's war on Ukraine.

Euro-Med Monitor found that when including those believed to be missing under the rubble of Gaza's decimated infrastructure, Israeli forces have killed 21,022 people in the besieged Palestinian territory since October 7, an estimated 19,660 of whom were civilians. The nonprofit said that 60% of the civilians killed were women and children.


The group said its figures "clearly refute" Israel's claim of a two-to-one ratio of civilians to militants killed, which an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson hailed as "tremendously positive" in a CNNinterview earlier this week. Israeli forces believe they have killed around 5,000 Hamas fighters since October 7.

"If you compare that ratio to any other conflict in urban terrain between a military and a terrorist organization using civilians as their human shields, and embedded in the civilian population, you will find that that ratio is tremendous, tremendously positive, and perhaps unique in the world," said the IDF's Jonathan Conricus.

But an analysis released last month by the watchdog Action on Armed Violence found that Israel's latest assault on Gaza—carried out with the help of artificial intelligence, according to recent reports—has been far deadlier for civilians than even its previous attacks on the strip.

The group estimated that each of Israel's casualty-causing strikes on Gaza since October 7 have killed an average of 10.1 civilians.

"This significantly surpasses previous Gaza operations which, at its historic recent worst in Operation Protective Edge, was just 2.5 civilian fatalities per casualty-causing strike," the watchdog said. "As such, the current operation appears to be four times more lethal, based on per injurious strike data, than previous Israeli operations. It also exceeds the global average of 7.4."

Citing military analysts, the Financial Timesreported Tuesday that "the destruction of northern Gaza in less than seven weeks has approached that caused by the yearslong carpet-bombing of German cities during the Second World War."

"Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne—some of the world's heaviest-ever bombings are remembered by their place names," U.S. military historian Robert Pape told the newspaper. "Gaza will also go down as a place name denoting one of history's heaviest conventional bombing campaigns."

Jan Egeland, secretary-general of the Norwegian Refugee Council, said Tuesday that the "pulverizing of Gaza now ranks amongst the worst assaults on any civilian population in our time and age."
 
NeroCeasar said:
Take Cork out of your username, your disgracing my beautiful city with your bile on here. Go stand in Daunt Square and see how long you last spouting that nonsense. 5 mins max before you would kicked up and down the Coal Quay. Bring your Isreali flag to Turners Cross Friday week, see how long it takes for some lad in the shed to ram it up your hole.

@Noisy noise annoys you keep referencing Goldberg the Jewish Mayor of Cork. He was a good and decent man and I'm very confident in saying there is no way he would have supported the current Isreali actions in Gaza
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Oh go to hell you Hamas loving anti semitic bigot. Threats and violence is all you Hamas loving thugs are good for.

Our country's treatment and abuse of the good people of Israel shames and disgusts me.
 
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