Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Kev50]

Israel Lands Law (1960)

Stipulates ownership of “Israel lands” – controlled by the state, Jewish National Fund and the Development Authority – can only be transferred between the three entities, knowing that the JNF leases land it owns to Jews only.
Ninety-three percent of the land in Israel is public and belongs to the state, JNF, or the Development Authority. Thirteen percent is controlled by the JNF, which has a “hugely influential” role in Israeli land policies.

Palestinian citizens are blocked from leasing about 80 percent of the land controlled by the state.

Absentees’ Property Law (1950)

Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are “absentees” and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state.

Simultaneously, the Law of Return (1950) gave Jews from anywhere in the world the right to automatically become Israeli citizens.

Right to Residency (2018)

In March 2018, Israel passed a law allowing the interior minister to revoke the residency rights of any Palestinian in Jerusalem on the grounds of a “breach of loyalty” to Israel.

Right to family life

The Ban on Family Unification – introduced as an emergency regulation in 2003 following the outbreak of the second Intifada in 2000 – prevents family unification when one spouse is an Israeli citizen and the other is a resident of the occupied territories.

Thousands of Palestinian families have been affected by the law, forced to split apart, move abroad, or live in Israel in fear of constant deportation.

Last June, Israel’s parliament renewed the ban as part of the Citizenship and Entry into Israel law for the 15th year, making it in effect a permanent law.

Right to commemorate Nakba

Palestinians traditionally mark Israel’s official Independence Day as Nakba Day, a day of mourning and commemoration marking the expulsion of more than 700,000 Palestinians in 1948 to make way for the creation of the state of Israel.

The Nakba Law introduced in 2011 allows the finance minister to reduce funding or support to an institution if it holds an activity that commemorates Israel’s Independence Day as a day of mourning.

The law causes major harm to the principle of equality and the rights of Arab citizens to preserve their history and culture. The law deprives Arab citizens of their right to commemorate the Nabka, an integral part of their history.

Nation State Law 2018

It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”

It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”

It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”

I can go on, if you want...

I never said they were treated equally. Israel is after all a jewish state surrounded by enemies. I asked for evidence that their treatment amounted to an apartheid, such as South Africa. Are you saying that the above laws show this? `Are these what all the fuss is about? Israel prevents Arabs from treating its independence day as a day of mourning? That doesn't; seem to me to be something to get too excited about, when you compare it to the bad things going on in the world.

 

[Blue 1]

I never said they were treated equally. Israel is after all a jewish state surrounded by enemies. I asked for evidence that their treatment amounted to an apartheid, such as South Africa. Are you saying that the above laws show this? `Are these what all the fuss is about? Israel prevents Arabs from treating its independence day as a day of mourning? That doesn't; seem to me to be something to get too excited about, when you compare it to the bad things going on in the world.

Those things don't amount to apartheid tbf, but Israeli law absolutely discriminates against its Arab citizens. Funny how you picked out probably the mildest issue among them to try and make light of my post rather than engage with the far more problematic issues raised.

The West Bank resembles apartheid far more. The Palestinians there basically live in 4 bantustans and need permits to travel between them. The IDF controls many aspects of their lives. Desmond Tutu made the comparison himself. I'd expect him to have a fair idea of what apartheid looks like.

 

[Kev50]

Those things don't amount to apartheid tbf, but Israeli law absolutely discriminates against its Arab citizens. Funny how you picked out probably the mildest issue among them to try and make light of my post rather than engage with the far more problematic issues raised.

The West Bank resembles apartheid far more. The Palestinians there basically live in 4 bantustans and need permits to travel between them. The IDF controls many aspects of their lives. Desmond Tutu made the comparison himself. I'd expect him to have a fair idea of what apartheid looks like.

They are all mild it seems to me. The need for laws relating to the ownership of land is obvious surely. If there were no such restrictions there would be the strategic purchase of land throughout Israel, that's for definite. The right to a family life, I mean come on. Arab citizens have no right to a family life in Israel? Again, there is nothing here to justify these vicious campaigns. If you were in charge of the the jewish state, would you have laws relating to the setting up of the country, and the ownership of its land? of course you would. The West Bank is a different situation, for Israel to be accused of apartheid relating the the West Bank alone is a nonsense. It implies that the jews are guilty of the hateful racism of SA, when of course the Arabs within its borders live longer than any other Arabs in the world, and enjoy the highest standard of living, if we exclude distortions brought on by the oil states. There are complex reasons for the attitude of the Israeli state to the people in the West Bank, but to say it's cos the jews are racist is disgraceful.

 

[Toffeeslam]

They are all mild it seems to me. The need for laws relating to the ownership of land is obvious surely. If there were no such restrictions there would be the strategic purchase of land throughout Israel, that's for definite. The right to a family life, I mean come on. Arab citizens have no right to a family life in Israel? Again, there is nothing here to justify these vicious campaigns. If you were in charge of the the jewish state, would you have laws relating to the setting up of the country, and the ownership of its land? of course you would. The West Bank is a different situation, for Israel to be accused of apartheid relating the the West Bank alone is a nonsense. It implies that the jews are guilty of the hateful racism of SA, when of course the Arabs within its borders live longer than any other Arabs in the world, and enjoy the highest standard of living, if we exclude distortions brought on by the oil states. There are complex reasons for the attitude of the Israeli state to the people in the West Bank, but to say it's cos the jews are racist is disgraceful.

Being an Apologist for apartheid is what is disgraceful

 

[Kev50]

Being an Apologist for apartheid is what is disgraceful

if you think the above laws constitute apartheid, then you have no idea what apartheid was.

 

[PhilM]

 

[tsubaki]

if you think the above laws constitute apartheid, then you have no idea what apartheid was.

if it helps I don't think you do either

 

[Tramps_mate]

if you think the above laws constitute apartheid, then you have no idea what apartheid was.

I'm fairly sure controlling people based on race/religion in certain 'encampments' and not allowing them medical care, food, travel etc etc comes fairly close to the apartheid meaning..

 

[Kev50]

I'm fairly sure controlling people based on race/religion in certain 'encampments' and not allowing them medical care, food, travel etc etc comes fairly close to the apartheid meaning..

yes, but it's not based on race/religion is it. And we know this cos of the superior lifestyle enjoyed by Arabs in Israel. The reason there are restrictions in the encampments is because of where they are, not because of who they are. If it was because of who they are, those same restrictions would be applied to Arabs throughout Israel, and they're not.

 

[tsubaki]

yes, but it's not based on race/religion is it. And we know this cos of the superior lifestyle enjoyed by Arabs in Israel. The reason there are restrictions in the encampments is because of where they are, not because of who they are. If it was because of who they are, those same restrictions would be applied to Arabs throughout Israel, and they're not.

“we know” lol

 

[Tramps_mate]

yes, but it's not based on race/religion is it. And we know this cos of the superior lifestyle enjoyed by Arabs in Israel. The reason there are restrictions in the encampments is because of where they are, not because of who they are. If it was because of who they are, those same restrictions would be applied to Arabs throughout Israel, and they're not.

I've never seen anything on that.

I do see however, the Israelis treating Palestinians as lower than rats in a sewer. They don't even see Palestinians as humans.

 

[Kev50]

I've never seen anything on that.

I do see however, the Israelis treating Palestinians as lower than rats in a sewer. They don't even see Palestinians as humans.

well don't you think you should look into this issue before condemning a country as racist?

 

[Kev50]

“we know” lol

Arabs can expect to live longest in Israel then any other part of the world. Child mortality is among the best too. They attend elections and participate fully in life in Israel. So to say that their treatment amounts to an apartheid is nonsense. Worse than nonsense,, a disgusting libel against jewish people who have experienced the worst of treatment at the hands of real nazis.

 

[Kev50]

if it helps I don't think you do either

why do you say that?

 

[Kev50]

is this supposed to mean that defending Israel from accusations it is a racist country is somehow beyond the pale?