Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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So simply rinse and repeat?

That’s a [Poor language removed] outlook. Something has to break. The changes need to happen internally as the international community won’t do anything apart from shake their fists - the UN is a blown rose and has been for decades, only good for humanitarian relief / fk all use for anything else.
Isnt it just, however, bibi aint for changing. Left to their own devices Israel will make this even worse than it currently is. I just cannot see anyone nation of note having enough influence to stop them. There will be pretence for sure but nothing of value
 
Isnt it just, however, bibi aint for changing. Left to their own devices Israel will make this even worse than it currently is. I just cannot see anyone nation of note having enough influence to stop them. There will be pretence for sure but nothing of value
Big internal changes happened in South Africa and in Northern Ireland.

Never say never. But yes I agree with your comments regarding the international community - complete waste of space. Lots of diplomatic noise but nothing substantive to follow up with.
 
So simply rinse and repeat?

That’s a [Poor language removed] outlook. Something has to break. The changes need to happen internally as the international community won’t do anything apart from shake their fists - the UN is a blown rose and has been for decades, only good for humanitarian relief / fk all use for anything else.
There's no bargaining range. The Israelis condemned the Gazans to an 80% poverty rate and 50% unemployment, have systematically choked off the Palestinians in the West Bank from water, which has forced them to rely on low-water crops like olives to survive, deny the Palestinians freedom of movement and regularly subject them to racist harassment up to and including extrajudicial killings.

Small wonder the Palestinians want complete Israeli withdrawal and reparations, which they'll never get as things stand. They don't trust the Israelis, and for cause. The wounds run deep on both sides, and it's hard to step off the conflict spiral under those circumstances.

I hate to say it, but about the only thing I can see breaking the deadlock right now is Hamas strategy. If they can get the Israelis to stack Palestinian civilian corpses high enough in a short period of time, they can cause a US-Israeli schism that would force the Israelis to reevaluate policy. Domestic political and media imperatives are what drive the present US position, so that's what has to change, because the Israeli government has been swallowed whole by their own far right and won't change of its own accord.

If the Israeli government finds itself unable to purchase the arms with which to oppress Palestinians, because Congress won't approve the transactions, the Israelis will come to the bargaining table in time. That requires a sea change, though.
 
Big internal changes happened in South Africa and in Northern Ireland.

Never say never. But yes I agree with your comments regarding the international community - complete waste of space. Lots of diplomatic noise but nothing substantive to follow up with.
The international community at present is a forum for pious bleatings that play well with domestic audiences, and little more. This is by design. Everyone at the table in San Francisco had to know the five vetoes meant the UN would be able to do 100% of squat. They knew they didn't agree with all four of their 'partners' on anything other than the marriage of convenience that just ended...which is why they insisted on the vetoes in the first place.
 
There's no bargaining range. The Israelis condemned the Gazans to an 80% poverty rate and 50% unemployment, have systematically choked off the Palestinians in the West Bank from water, which has forced them to rely on low-water crops like olives to survive, deny the Palestinians freedom of movement and regularly subject them to racist harassment up to and including extrajudicial killings.

Small wonder the Palestinians want complete Israeli withdrawal and reparations, which they'll never get as things stand. They don't trust the Israelis, and for cause. The wounds run deep on both sides, and it's hard to step off the conflict spiral under those circumstances.

I hate to say it, but about the only thing I can see breaking the deadlock right now is Hamas strategy. If they can get the Israelis to stack Palestinian civilian corpses high enough in a short period of time, they can cause a US-Israeli schism that would force the Israelis to reevaluate policy. Domestic political and media imperatives are what drive the present US position, so that's what has to change, because the Israeli government has been swallowed whole by their own far right and won't change of its own accord.

If the Israeli government finds itself unable to purchase the arms with which to oppress Palestinians, because Congress won't approve the transactions, the Israelis will come to the bargaining table in time. That requires a sea change, though.
High stakes poker using the lives of Palestinians as chips. Wow!
 
I don't think he did, at all.

The entire world is watching this now and it is blatantly obvious which side is escalating things, which side is treating even their allies with utter contempt, which side has zero regard for the safety of its own citizens held hostage. The usual rhetoric aside he basically said what Erdogan, most of the Arab world, the UN and its agencies, and nearly everyone else has been saying - that there has to be an immediate ceasefire to protect civilians, that the conduct of the Israeli government is creating huge tensions across the region and the only way those hostages will be released safely is via negotiation. At one point he even praised those around the world who have demonstrated in solidarity with the Palestinians.

The only side that want this to kick off further are the Israelis; they've proved that every day since October 7th with the deliberate targetting of journalists, the hospital bombings, the siege, the ramped up attacks in the West Bank, the repeated incursions into al-Aqsa and the rhetoric from Israeli politicians and media. Why would Hezbollah deliver what their enemies blatantly want?

Our and the EU political leadership probably have up to a week left of being ignored by the Israeli leadership before it becomes obvious to them that their position is untenable, and they'll have to align with the rest of the world. Even with US backing, once a reasonable proposal comes out of how to deal with this short of a UNSC resolution - a financial embargo for example - ends this war probably very quickly with the Israelis isolated nearly completely.
Last paragraph: pie in the sky I'm afraid.

Anyone expecting the EU and US to carve in to global south condemnation are kidding themselves.

No, Hezbollah have been talking a good game but they're sitting on an arsenal they don't intend to use.

The Gazan's are on their own. As per usual.
 

I know it's old. But come on...

I think a good place to start is Syria. ISIS and Al Qaeda types were fighting against Assad and getting treated for injuries by Israeli military medical teams close the the border. The Syrian ISIS and Al Qaeda types the Nusra Front wete all financed and supported by the US. Who also rolled into town on the side of the forces fighting Assad, none other than al qassam, the military wing of Hamas. Who we all now know was supported by Netanyahu, to damage Fatah. It was payback time. Those Hamas forces were also treated for wounds by Israeli medical.


Who was fighting alongside Assad's Syrian army, Russian forces and Hezbollah.

When the ISIS, al Qaeda and the al qassam were routed. That brought a major shift inside Hamas. A soul searching. 'Why are we fighting on the same side as groups that are financed, armed and supported by the US, seeing the US supported our enemy Israel and they help us recover to fight again. All the while killing us in Palestine. It was a hell of a conundrum.



Upshot, there were discussions between Hamas and Hezbollah and Hamas apologised to Assad

Which was instrumental in Hamas's 2017 document.

"Hamas in 2017: The document in full | Middle East Eye" https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

The Cradle magazine is a very interesting read.

"The US is fueling, not avoiding, a regional war" https://new.thecradle.co/articles/the-us-is-fueling-not-avoiding-a-regional-war
 
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There will be no more Palestinian workers from Gaza.

Before this month, 18,500 married men over the age of 25 had permission from the Israeli authorities to enter the country, mostly to work in agriculture and construction, as part of an Israeli policy designed to alleviate Gaza’s crushing poverty and create an economic lifeline that it was believed Hamas would be loth to jeopardise.

An unknown number of these workers were swept up in raids across Israel in the days after 7 October and imprisoned under the principle of administrative detention, which allows the arrest of suspects without charge or access to the evidence against them on the grounds that they may break the law in future.

Many have alleged they were tortured or otherwise mistreated in military prison facilities over the last few weeks. The International Committee of the Red Cross said it was repeatedly denied access to the arrested workers, who were held as “enemy non-combatants”.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) did not immediately reply to the Guardian’s request for comment on the arrests or ill-treatment allegations.
 
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