Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Blue 1]

Why that last line, why do you always try to portray this as a race or religious issue. It isn’t, it’s just two peoples who somehow cannot get along and whenever the slightest chance of them doing so happens, up pops another terrorist attack….

Not quite.

Race and religion are indeed a fig leaf, its about land and resources.

You have to remember that the settler violence and land grabbing never stops.

The checkpoints and matrix of control in the West Bank don't stop.

The blockade of Gaza doesn't stop.

Every time there's a period of relative calm, Israel usually makes an incursion into or raid on Gaza, and the rockets start up again.

This low level stuff just doesn't get reported on here.

And the one time there was a serious chance of a peace settlement, the Israeli extremists murdered their leader, and then Israel reneged on pretty much everything it had agreed to, and all that came of Oslo is that the PA became Israel's policeman.

 

[ramacca]

St Pauli fans.

Weren't these hanks supposed to be 'leftist'?

Yeah, 'lefties' when it suits them. Interesting reference to Celtic fans. Indicating that Celtic fans are anti Semitic for displaying Palestinian flag. It's nice to see them side with Netanyahu. I wonder why they didn't show any reference to the Palestinian flags at Anfield?

 

[davek]

Yeah, 'lefties' when it suits them. Interesting reference to Celtic fans. Indicating that Celtic fans are anti Semitic for displaying Palestinian flag. It's nice to see them side with Netanyahu. I wonder why they didn't show any reference to the Palestinian flags at Anfield?

St Pauli would probably say they're message is more aimed at neo-nazis in Germany who'll be getting a boost from anti-Israeli sentiment.

It's poor judgment though. It shows an inability to be nuanced from a support group historically who have backed the right horse. As for a flag or two at Anfied: pure look at me stuff that. They aren't serious players in all that world of politics and football.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Why that last line, why do you always try to portray this as a race or religious issue. It isn’t, it’s just two peoples who somehow cannot get along and whenever the slightest chance of them doing so happens, up pops another terrorist attack….

Cos for some reason you have chosen to ignore 70 years of terrorist attacks by Israel on Palestinians and only focus on the 7th october hamas attacks. I mean it totally invalidates anything you say. You just come across as either stupid or lacking humanity

As for the "if they were white" line - I genuinely believe it for you and almost all apologists.

 

[Efcjake]

Israel was created by the UN to provide somewhere for the Jews to live, supposedly in peace, having suffered 6 million deaths at the hands of the Germans. Jews had lived in Israel for a long time before, a millenia before and were encouraged to settle there. Germany had suffered no such premeditated deaths and already had a country many times bigger than the U.K. in which to live. The scenario you paint has no relevance to Israel…….

The Balfour declaration was in 1917, long before WW2. Palestine was under Ottoman control before the Arabs rose up with the British took control.

The Palestinian Arabs fought with British soldiers to take back their land and Britain took a mandate from the league of nations to administer the area.

Waves of Jewish immigration occurred before and during the war and they later rebelled and rose up against the British forces while WW2 was still happening.

In an effort to end the violence, the UN proposed this map of two states in 1947.

It wasn't just created to give Jewish people a state to live in, it was created to try to end the paramilitary violence of Zionist forces who were attacking Arabs and British forces.



What does that map look like now Pete?

Don't want people younger than you to talk to you about history but clearly despite having lived some of it you don't know it either.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Not quite.

Race and religion are indeed a fig leaf, its about land and resources.

You have to remember that the settler violence and land grabbing never stops.

The checkpoints and matrix of control in the West Bank don't stop.

The blockade of Gaza doesn't stop.

Every time there's a period of relative calm, Israel usually makes an incursion into or raid on Gaza, and the rockets start up again.

This low level stuff just doesn't get reported on here.

And the one time there was a serious chance of a peace settlement, the Israeli extremists murdered their leader, and then Israel reneged on pretty much everything it had agreed to, and all that came of Oslo is that the PA became Israel's policeman.

I don't know that I would conclude that it's about land and resources. It certainly started that way. However, as was the case with the Troubles, those conflicts have a way of breeding hatred that takes on a life of its own. It becomes 'us' versus 'them', which is fine if we all go to work the next day, the winning side gives the losing side some guff about the game and then we forget about those portions of our identities for several months.

When there's a power imbalance and the problem pervades everyday life, it's different. The problem becomes self-reinforcing. The results cost people things that matter, like time, money, health and even life itself. People don't put up with being dehumanized. They organize, and lash out. It's human nature.

Once it gets to that point, it's very hard to reverse course. The feedback loop is already in place, and trust is long gone.

 

[Efcjake]

Are the IDF personnel attacking innocent civilians deemed terrorists or is it just the Muslims?

@peteblue

I'd love an answer on this one.

You agree that the IDF response is targetting civilians indiscriminately.

Are they terrorists too?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

The Balfour declaration was in 1917, long before WW2. Palestine was under Ottoman control before the Arabs rose up with the British took control.

The Palestinian Arabs fought with British soldiers to take back their land and Britain took a mandate from the league of nations to administer the area.

Waves of Jewish immigration occurred before and during the war and they later rebelled and rose up against the British forces while WW2 was still happening.

In an effort to end the violence, the UN proposed this map of two states in 1947.

It wasn't just created to give Jewish people a state to live in, it was created to try to end the paramilitary violence of Zionist forces who were attacking Arabs and British forces.

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What does that map look like now Pete?

Don't want people younger than you to talk to you about history but clearly despite having lived some of it you don't know it either.

Wait until @peteblue learns that the Israelis attacked the British army/peace keepers and drove them out.

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[davek]

The Democrat base are going to desert Biden.

 

[Wat Tyler]

The Democrat base are going to desert Biden.

The amazing thing is Trump is even more pro-Israel

 

[Wat Tyler]

 

[davek]

The amazing thing is Trump is even more pro-Israel

His base will expect that though. There'll be no loss to him from that. I also think he'd get a big poll boost by distancing himself from the Ukrainian cause too - or at least for opposing paying for that war. He'll be calling on the EU to step up on that.

...that's if he's not in jail like!

 

[Wat Tyler]

The way she frames these questions dearie me, horrendous

 

[peteblue]

Not quite.

Race and religion are indeed a fig leaf, its about land and resources.

You have to remember that the settler violence and land grabbing never stops.

The checkpoints and matrix of control in the West Bank don't stop.

The blockade of Gaza doesn't stop.

Every time there's a period of relative calm, Israel usually makes an incursion into or raid on Gaza, and the rockets start up again.

This low level stuff just doesn't get reported on here.

And the one time there was a serious chance of a peace settlement, the Israeli extremists murdered their leader, and then Israel reneged on pretty much everything it had agreed to, and all that came of Oslo is that the PA became Israel's policeman.

Indeed…..