Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[DrEFC]

safe in the South, escape Hamas and Israeli bombs, right?

 

[Bluerover]

Israel is a democratic nation state, so they are rightly expected to abide by international law. Hamas is a prescribed terrorist group, so whilst I’m sure we all wish they would, it’s hardly surprising they don’t.

For the record, I don’t think many people agree with the actions of Hamas, or deny that Israel has a right to retaliate for the attacks. I believe the issue lots of us have is the sheer scale and disregard for human life they are showing in doing so. They have managed to kill more children in three weeks than Russia has since it invaded Ukraine almost two years ago. That is staggering, and indicative of why they need to be reigned in by the international community, if at all possible.

Israel has now castigated the 121 members of the UN who supported last week's resolution, rejected the UN as having any relevance and, quelle surprise, I discovered last might that it is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

This Israeli Government turns with vitriol on anyone that has the temerity to in any wayfs criticise it's policies or actions.

"Nazi, anti semitic, racist" etc will be epithets ascribed at will to people and States that express understandable concern for the plight of innocents in this sledgehammer approach to dealing with Hamas.

121 for, but Israel and her 13 BFFs who voted against are of course in the right.

As for the 45 abstentionists, tweezers are being distributed to remove the splinters from their cowardly posteriors.

 

[magicjuan]

Seems like everyone on here has made up their minds…Israelis bad, terrorists good…people and countries go on about Israel must obey International Law, and so they should…one question though, do people demand the same of Hamas…

I’m reminded of a quote ‘it’s easy to tell a child not to be afraid of the dark, it’s more difficult to tell an adult not to be afraid of the light’…

Sorry but that's not a valid point Pete. It isn't a case of one being bad or good. I can't recall anyone on here hailing Hamas, people have rightly called out their inhumanity. But you cannot call Hamas terrorists without recognising that Israel is, by its constant actions, a terrorist state too.
The behaviour of 'elected officials' and indiscrimate attacks on a people, from land grabs, bombing, control of necessities like food and water, denial of human rights, none of this qualifies a nation to be 'good'.
It's about right and wrong. And just as an attack on innocents is wrong on one side so it is on another.

 

[Bluerover]

Sorry but that's not a valid point Pete. It isn't a case of one being bad or good. I can't recall anyone on here hailing Hamas, people have rightly called out their inhumanity. But you cannot call Hamas terrorists without recognising that Israel is, by its constant actions, a terrorist state too.
The behaviour of 'elected officials' and indiscrimate attacks on a people, from land grabs, bombing, control of necessities like food and water, denial of human rights, none of this qualifies a nation to be 'good'.
It's about right and wrong. And just as an attack on innocents is wrong on one side so it is on another.

None of us are justifying terrorism or kidnapping by Hamas.

The Israeli Government response is grossly disproportionate, with some 8,000 people including some 4000 children dead and hundreds of thousands homeless.

The late Rabbi Goldberg in the Dispatches doc of 2009 clearly says that Israel is conducting apartheid policies. They had also invaded Gaza in 08/09, killing some 1400 people.

This is exponentially worse than that, and that was an atrocity.

Israel is making itself a pariah in international terms, rejecting the eeasonable resolution supported by 121 members, calling it 'infamy'.

The International Criminal Court is now examining what has happened in Gaza and by Hamas on Oct 7th.

But of course Israel is not a member of the ICC!!

I feel so sad and helpless looking at this tragedy. All I can do is pray that the slaughter and suffering comes to an end quickly.

Finally, in the 30 years of the Northern Ireland ,'Troubles', there were tragically many deaths on all sides.

In those 30 years the total deaths were about 3,500 - 3500 too many. But less than half the total killed already in a few weeks in Gaza.

That is a chilling fact.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Nobody wants to see this level of death. If Israel could get rid of Hamas without killing anyone else we would all cheer. Unfortunately these terrorists have buried themselves underneath hospitals and berthed in ordinary Palestinians homes. It’s like a cancer that somehow has to be removed. No one knows the answer, least of all the Israelis, but one way or another this cancer has to be removed …..

By killing 8000 women and kids and flattening the city?

Fool

 

[DrEFC]

So, Hamas are terrorists. Should they be removed ?…..

IRA were deemed terrorists, did we level Eire? Seems to have made politicians out of the IRA, just like Israel made presidents out of killers of British and Arabs.
A dehumanised people don't get to 'act accordingly' e.g commit terror judicially.

 

[Bluerover]

IRA were deemed terrorists, did we level Eire? Seems to have made politicians out of the IRA, just like Israel made presidents out of killers of British and Arabs.
A dehumanised people don't get to 'act accordingly' e.g commit terror judicially.

Great Post.

Irgun became the Government of Israel.

Sinn Féin likely to head next Government in Republic, and shouhavalready have First Minister in NI devolved administration only for Donaldson's anti democratic tantrums.

 

[Martin Alvito]

The International Criminal Court is now examining what has happened in Gaza and by Hamas on Oct 7th.

But of course Israel is not a member of the ICC!!

There are a few ways something can get in front of the ICC, if the perpetrator is from a non-member state. If a citizen of an ICC member state is killed in Gaza, they can look at it. That means Canadians and Mexicans, all South Americans, anyone from Europe not a citizen of Monaco, the Vatican, Belarus, Ukraine or Russia, and citizens of various other countries scattered around the world.

A country can also decide to accept the ICC's jurisdiction over something, which the Israelis never do and the Palestinians can't get since they're stateless. The UN Security Council can direct the ICC to look at something, which means the most likely pathway to a broad-based inquiry would require the US-Israeli schism that is the goal of Hamas.

 

[Blue 1]

Good piece by former IDF soldier Ariel Bernstein in yesterday's Observer. He fought in the 2014 invasion of Gaza.

I fought house to house in Gaza ... I know force alone won’t bring peace

An IDF veteran calls for a political solution that offers hope for both Israelis and Palestinians

www.theguardian.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

If you followed religion with conviction there are multiple possible anti christs in play. The world has gone mad.

 

[Martin Alvito]

If you followed religion with conviction there are multiple possible anti christs in play. The world has gone mad.

Rather quaint notion of the ancients that there would be just one, if you ask me. The Christians probably thought it was Nero, at the time.

 

[Prevenger17]

Seems like everyone on here has made up their minds…Israelis bad, terrorists good

Could you quote one post in here that has expressed support for Hamas?

 

[Bluerover]

There are a few ways something can get in front of the ICC, if the perpetrator is from a non-member state. If a citizen of an ICC member state is killed in Gaza, they can look at it. That means Canadians and Mexicans, all South Americans, anyone from Europe not a citizen of Monaco, the Vatican, Belarus, Ukraine or Russia, and citizens of various other countries scattered around the world.

A country can also decide to accept the ICC's jurisdiction over something, which the Israelis never do and the Palestinians can't get since they're stateless. The UN Security Council can direct the ICC to look at something, which means the most likely pathway to a broad-based inquiry would require the US-Israeli schism that is the goal of Hamas.

Looks like Palestine has accepted jurisdiction of the ICC, so maybe deaths of Palestinians can be examined.

Of course Israel won't co-operate.

Palestine | Coalition for the International Criminal Court

www.coalitionfortheicc.org

 

[Bluerover]

Good piece by former IDF soldier Ariel Bernstein in yesterday's Observer. He fought in the 2014 invasion of Gaza.

I fought house to house in Gaza ... I know force alone won’t bring peace

An IDF veteran calls for a political solution that offers hope for both Israelis and Palestinians

www.theguardian.com

Great Post- no doubt he will be castigated now.

"But we have no right to use our military strength to exact revenge, and we must see it as our goal to attack only military targets while keeping collateral harm at a minimum."

 

[Yarrgh]

The patron of Children of Peace ('We aim to help Israeli & Palestinian children build friendships") has this message:



A patron of Children of Peace who doesn't want you to see the Israeli state's murder of thousands of Palestinian kids.

A remake of Schindlers List, but with Oberman ... the twist, her list is the kids who get killed whilst no one pays attention.

If the mods could forward the enquiries from Hollywood for the film rights, I'd appreciate it.