Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

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I'd wager there's a good proportion on both sides, even Hamas that want security, safety, and no further blood shed. Unfortunately both sides headed by utter scum.

How does that stack up with the declared aims and ambitions of Hamas….

“ Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas’s genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping with Hamas’s explicit aims and stated objectives. It was, in fact, the inchoate realization of Hamas’s true ambitions.

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:

The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.
Thus, as fighting rages in Israel and Gaza, and may yet escalate and spread, pleas for moderation, restraint, negotiation, and the building of pathways to peace are destined to find no purchase with Hamas. The covenant makes clear that holy war, divinely ordained and scripturally sanctioned, is in Hamas’s DNA.”…..
 
How does that stack up with the declared aims and ambitions of Hamas….

“ Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas’s genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping with Hamas’s explicit aims and stated objectives. It was, in fact, the inchoate realization of Hamas’s true ambitions.

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:

The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.
Thus, as fighting rages in Israel and Gaza, and may yet escalate and spread, pleas for moderation, restraint, negotiation, and the building of pathways to peace are destined to find no purchase with Hamas. The covenant makes clear that holy war, divinely ordained and scripturally sanctioned, is in Hamas’s DNA.”…..
Pete, you do know the aims of the original colonisers like the stern gang and Co stated was their aims, and it was very, very similar- and what they did- much worse than anything Hamas have done.
 
I think that it is reasonable to say that this issue has most certainly been caused by Hamas recent attack.

It is also reasonable to assume that Hamas knew what the Israeli government reaction would be.

Following this line of thought it is reasonable to say that Hamas do not have the wellbeing of Palestinians in Gaza at the front of their mind.

Also, that this might be expected as Hamas is a proxy of Iran.

Most importantly that the people of Gaza are now trapped in a conflict between Hamas and Bibi's Israel government. These people should be everyones primary concern as they are innocent civilians.

If you are pro Israel, pro Hamas, or pro Palestine should be secondary to need to protect Gazan's and for Israel to show constraint IMO.

This…..
 
Clearly the campaign is focused into certain areas atm so if it is possible masses should flee. It's a war and it is possible that bombings happen elsewhere too. Ofcourse it's extra difficult to flee because Hamas doesnt want you to flee.
IDF presser has now started to make clear difference between Palestinians and Hamas. Spokes person just also told this isnt islam either. There was audio in the presser too.

Audio is put up on screen: A Hamas terrorist calls his father:

"Father, I killed 10 Jews! Check your WhatsApp! I sent you the photos! Father, I killed 10 Jews! I killed 10 Jews with my bare hands. check your WhatsApp. Father, be proud of me!"

Yeah course he did. Israeli propaganda.
 
Pete, you do know the aims of the original colonisers like the stern gang and Co stated was their aims, and it was very, very similar- and what they did- much worse than anything Hamas have done.

I know they did. They were a bunch of terrorists. But the Israeli people of today are not terrorists, the ones wiped out, mutilated and murdered recently were not terrorists. The Israelis pushing Palestinians out of the West Bank need calling out by the west, but every time Hamas does something like this just makes it worse for those in the West Bank and Gaza. Hamas needs to be eliminated or there will never be peace…..
 
I know they did. They were a bunch of terrorists. But the Israeli people of today are not terrorists, the ones wiped out, mutilated and murdered recently were not terrorists. The Israelis pushing Palestinians out of the West Bank need calling out by the west, but every time Hamas does something like this just makes it worse for those in the West Bank and Gaza. Hamas needs to be eliminated or there will never be peace…..
Replace Hamas with the IRA and you've 20 years of failed British policy on N Ireland during the 70's and 80's

The need for or rather the political space for Hamas to exist is what needs to be eliminated. Current Israeli policy on Palestinians will not achieve that.
 
Seeing as we are quoting documents again, how about this one - its from the talks earlier in the year, at Sharm-el-Shaikh. I have added emphasis in some places:

At the invitation of the Arab Republic of Egypt, Jordanian, Israeli, Palestinian and U.S. political and security senior officials met in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt today, 19 March 2023, in furtherance of the understanding reached in Aqaba, Jordan on 26 February 2023.


The five Parties held thorough discussions on ways and means to de-escalate tensions on the ground between Palestinians and Israelis, in order to pave a way forward towards the peaceful settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians.


Towards achieving this purpose, and beginning implementation, the Parties have agreed to the following:


1 – The Parties reaffirmed their commitment to advancing security, stability and peace for Israelis and Palestinians alike, and recognized the necessity of de-escalation on the ground, the prevention of further violence, as well as of pursuing confidence building measures, enhancing mutual trust, creating political horizon, and addressing outstanding issues through direct dialogue.


2 – The Government of Israel and the Palestinian National Authority reaffirmed their joint readiness and commitment to immediately work to end unilateral measures for a period of 3-6 months. This includes an Israeli commitment to stop discussion of any new settlement units for 4 months, and to stop authorization of any outposts for 6 months.


3 – The two sides reaffirmed, in this regard, their unwavering commitment to all previous agreements between them, in particular, the legal right of the Palestinian National Authority to carry out the security responsibilities in Area (A) of the West Bank, in accordance with existing agreements, and will work together towards realizing this objective.


4 – The two sides agreed to develop a mechanism to curb and counter violence, incitement, and inflammatory statements and actions, which will report to the quintet leadership in April, in a resumed session of the meeting in Sharm El Sheikh.


5 – The two sides reaffirmed their commitment to all previous agreements between them, and reaffirmed their agreement to address all outstanding issues through direct dialogue.


6 – The Parties agreed to establish a mechanism to take the necessary steps towards improving the economic conditions of the Palestinian people, per previous agreements, and to significantly enhance the fiscal situation of the Palestinian National Authority, which will report to the quintet leadership in April, in a resumed session of the meeting in Sharm El Sheikh.


7 – They also reiterated the commitment of upholding unchanged the historic status quo at the Holy Sites in Jerusalem, both in word and in practice, and reaffirmed in this context the importance of the Hashemite Custodianship/special role of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. They emphasized the necessity of both Israelis and Palestinians to actively prevent any actions that would disrupt the sanctity of these sites, inter alia during the upcoming Holy Month of Ramadan, which coincides with Easter and Passover this year.


8 – The Parties reaffirmed the importance of maintaining the meetings under this format, and are looking forward to cooperating with a view to consolidating the basis for direct negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis, towards achieving comprehensive, just and lasting peace, and promote cooperation and coexistence between all people of the Middle East. They will convene again in Egypt.


9 – The Parties expressed their appreciation to the Arab Republic of Egypt for organizing and hosting this meeting, as well as their efforts to ensure that it produces positive results, and for its primary role aiming to achieve a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian question and maintain calm and stability in the region. They also thanked the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the United States of America for their crucial and significant role in reaching understandings with a view to preventing escalation and creating a horizon for peace.

The Israeli government broke point two less than a day after the communique went out. Less than two months afterwards, that horror Ben-Gvir went up (under heavy escort) to the al-Aqsa Mosque.
 
Replace Hamas with the IRA and you've 20 years of failed British policy on N Ireland during the 70's and 80's

The need for or rather the political space for Hamas to exist is what needs to be eliminated. Current Israeli policy on Palestinians will not achieve that.

It will make things vastly worse, both in Gaza and further afield.
 
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