Oh yes, always place blame at the government, not the country as a whole.
I imagine a lot of Israelis just want to live in peace themselves
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Oh yes, always place blame at the government, not the country as a whole.
I imagine a lot of Israelis just want to live in peace themselves
Mrbluenose
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Jews surrounded by all those Muslims was never going to work, let's be honest.
Neither side is blameless.
Neither side is blameless.
Just saying Israel makes it sound like you're blanket blaming the Israeli people as a whole, which in turn gives ammunition to the "you're just being an anti-semite if you criticise the Israeli government" people, which doesn't help with the situation
If people weren't specifically mentioning Hamas but mentioning Palestine as a whole (which some do) then it would have the same connotation
The people of both states are subjugated by horrible ruling factions. It is those factions that should be the target of ire, not the people themselves
Aye, it's a really hysterical organ. Tbf, I find that with the Guardian too on some issues. All a bit shrieky at times. But yeah, the Telegraph is absolute catnip for strange culture wars takes and the like. Often shoehorned in to otherwise fairly sober reporting.
I like reading it though, got to keep a eye on what the Tory grassroots are thinking.
They're still thinking Liz Truss was basically correct. So with any luck they'll push for some mad policies and make the Tories look even more unstable in the election run up.
Back on topic, the Telegraph reporting on this issue is mostly shrieky one sided hysterics.
This is a really awful statement
Spadge Vernacular
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Hamas are not the Paletstinian people, they are an Iranian proxy ultimately serving Irans aims. They do not care about the lives of Palestinians and as we have just seem are more than willing to see them killed and made homeless.
I'm not sure anyone is happy that Hamas have put many Palestinian people in danger through their horrific actions. Hamas are committed to wiping out israel and all jews, again, following Irans lead. There can be no peace in the area whilst Hamas exists in its current form, that should be clear to all.
There was always going to be a reaction to Hamas actions and they will have factored this into their planning. Things are bad now but you can be sure that Hamas are planning on things getting a lot worse. What we need now are calm voices and persuasion, not "but what about".
I previously used the term dog whistle to describe how some get triggered by the word palestine but I suppose a 'bell' would have been a more apt description.
Probably the last I'll say on this subject for a while
Hamas are not our friends. They are violent fundamentalist monsters
The Israeli government are war mongering fundamentalist's look for any excuse to crush those that they can in order to extend their realm of control within the region
Both of them are horrible regimes that don't care one iota about the carnage they are causing and the pain they are inflicting on the people of their respective nations
The Palestinian and Israeli people are victims at the mercy of the sharks that govern their states
Neither of these two governments are the good guys. Both are brutal regimes that are suffocating the people they rule over, most of whom just want to live in peace and most of whom would likely accept a two state solution
There is a very strong propaganda machine that strives to make any criticism of the Israeli government be classed as anti-Semitism against the people of Israel as a whole. It's VITAL that rational people do not play into their hands. Always, ALWAYS, target the Israeli government itself. ALWAYS specify what you are being critical of. ALWAYS make it clear that you are not targeting the people of Israel itself, but the fundamentalist government that rules over them
If you want to help the people of this region, then all ire and criticism needs to be directed to the governments and not towards the people
Hamas are not our friends. They are violent fundamentalist monsters
The Israeli government are war mongering fundamentalist's look for any excuse to crush those that they can in order to extend their realm of control within the region
Both of them are horrible regimes that don't care one iota about the carnage they are causing and the pain they are inflicting on the people of their respective nations
The Palestinian and Israeli people are victims at the mercy of the sharks that govern their states
Neither of these two governments are the good guys. Both are brutal regimes that are suffocating the people they rule over, most of whom just want to live in peace and most of whom would likely accept a two state solution
There is a very strong propaganda machine that strives to make any criticism of the Israeli government be classed as anti-Semitism against the people of Israel as a whole. It's VITAL that rational people do not play into their hands. Always, ALWAYS, target the Israeli government itself. ALWAYS specify what you are being critical of. ALWAYS make it clear that you are not targeting the people of Israel itself, but the fundamentalist government that rules over them
If you want to help the people of this region, then all ire and criticism needs to be directed to the governments and not towards the people
Spadge Vernacular
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Spot on.
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Actually a good point, but to be honest the more blatant war crimes that Israel commits and tens of thousands innocent Palestinians it kills, the quicker people will forget the Hamas attack and remember this time as a time when Israel dialed up their genocide regime to 100. They will lose a lot of friends doing what they are doing and there's still a very good chance of a much more serious war with Hamas' allies getting involved. That could be very ugly for Israel.
Yeh, the issue here is that the Israeli government and its 300,000+ civilian reservists are targetting non-hamas militants in its blockade and bombardment (and imminent ground invasion) of Gaza. However you chose to look at it, the settlers are causing misery all over Palestine and it needs to be discussed
Regardless, it is the actions “since and before” the hamas attacks that are the bigger issue. Israel has and will torment these people indefinitely
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Well taking that approach is 100% not going to help.
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