Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Rita_Poon]

I seem to recall Hamas brutally executing suspected informants the last time the two sides got into it a decade ago. As it was with the Soviets, putting agents in place in Gaza probably is not the easiest task in the world. They had much greater success penetrating us (up to and including the architect of Bretton Woods, most likely) than we had with them.

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[WA Toffee]

On topic when people are moaning about the narrative around Twitter.

You are all talking utter crap in your echo chamber anyways.

Why not contribute to the thread in a meaningful way then?

Most people on here appear to see both sides of the argument, if you provide some actual insight as to your opinions and the basis behind them, it may become a decent discussion point that people can learn from.

Don't complain about it being an echo chamber, then just post cr@p.

 

[WA Toffee]

As with other (similar) threads on here, people like to stir the pot.

Yep, and some people can't help but take the bait

 

[Fedlingen]

Israel's military orders civilians to evacuate Gaza City, ahead of a feared ground offensive

Israel’s military has directed the hundreds of thousands of residents in Gaza City to evacuate “for their own safety and protection,” ahead of a feared Israeli ground offensive.

apnews.com

This is going to end horribly.

 

[Paulie]

Is it beyond the realms of possibility Israel (with all their intelligence resources) knew exactly what Hamas were up to and allowed it for an excuse to invade?

 

[Fedlingen]

Is it beyond the realms of possibility Israel (with all their intelligence resources) knew exactly what Hamas were up to and allowed it for an excuse to invade?

There's been quite a few media outlets, reporting that Egypt warned them three days ahead of the attacks. BBC, APnews, the guardian to name a few.

 

[Yarrgh]

Tory lite or full fat Tory.

Easy choice really.

Neck deep in sh!t or until it's over your head.

 

[Yarrgh]

You can, dave - the dividing line between the old Establishment (of which MI6 is a part) and the modern political class is very clear; the former can organize and deliver things and the latter cannot do either.

If MI6 led an establishment coup against the current leadership (by that I mean the top of most Westminster parties, the media and the commentariat), removed them from office and took over the country, not only would most of this countries problems be fixed within a year but we'd also be better governed, be more free, there would be less crime, better control on public spending and it would be wildly popular.

This is a wild idea. Should be a thread of its own.

Would an authoritarian non-elected establishment than by the intelligence agency be better than the current government options and would the people go crazy for them?

There's your novel tsubuki!

 

[Yarrgh]

Sound you need to tell Young Labour’s BAME Officer then, they’ve obviously got it all wrong and you’re right

Well done Lubaba Khalid. Whatever you do, be proud that you shone a spotlight on Starmer's shameful endorsement of war crimes and had the courage to stand up for your principles. I hope you do not suffer any repercussions and your family remain safe.

 

[Paulie]

There's been quite a few media outlets, reporting that Egypt warned them three days ahead of the attacks. BBC, APnews, the guardian to name a few.

Hard to accept something on that scale just went under the radar.

 

[WA Toffee]

Is it beyond the realms of possibility Israel (with all their intelligence resources) knew exactly what Hamas were up to and allowed it for an excuse to invade?

It is of course possible, but I think it is very unlikely.

 

[WA Toffee]

There's been quite a few media outlets, reporting that Egypt warned them three days ahead of the attacks. BBC, APnews, the guardian to name a few.

I would imagine Israel gets credible intelligence of attacks pretty much everyday. It is easy to retrofit evidence to fit a narrative.

That is not to say it is not possible of course, but when I see a history of Israel launching attacks on Gaza, annexing of land etc, they have regularly shown they don't need a false flag to attack, so why would they need one now?

 

[PhilM]

I would imagine Israel gets credible intelligence of attacks pretty much everyday. It is easy to retrofit evidence to fit a narrative.

That is not to say it is not possible of course, but when I see a history of Israel launching attacks on Gaza, annexing of land etc, they have regularly shown they don't need a false flag to attack, so why would they need one now?

All good points, but the failings are seismic, which brings into question how neither of Aman, Shin'bet or Mossad picked up on the extensive training and build-up.

Of course, it's all speculation at the moment, however it's believed Egypt warned Israel. Then you consider the number of rockets stockpiled for the offensive.

Add to that, the resources needed for the ground and air attack, including the training camps beforehand. With Israeli infiltration in Gaza, how was this not seen?

How did other western agencies not know? If they didn't know, well you've got to give begrudging credit to Hamas for organising an operation so secretively.

But I can't help but think, as I mentioned earlier, that Israel may have known more than first thought - perhaps not the extent of the attack, but something.

This is their casus belli - this is their opportunity to go the extra mile. Again, let's be careful with assumptions, but I've heard there's 30+ brigades prepared.

That is a minimum three times the number called up during the last Israeli-Gaza conflict, so perhaps the scale of the Hamas attack allows such an offensive.

Yet let's not forget, that the actions from both sides of this conflict is going to have a dire and catastrophic on innocent civilians.

 

[Paulie]

All good points, but the failings are seismic, which brings into question how neither of Aman, Shin'bet or Mossad picked up on the extensive training and build-up.

Of course, it's all speculation at the moment, however it's believed Egypt warned Israel. Then you consider the number of rockets stockpiled for the offensive.

Add to that, the resources needed for the ground and air attack, including the training camps beforehand. With Israeli infiltration in Gaza, how was this not seen?

How did other western agencies not know? If they didn't know, well you've got to give begrudging credit to Hamas for organising an operation so secretively.

But I can't help but think, as I mentioned earlier, that Israel may have known more than first thought - perhaps not the extent of the attack, but something.

This is their casus belli - this is their opportunity to go the extra mile. Again, let's be careful with assumptions, but I've heard there's 30+ brigades prepared.

That is a minimum three times the number called up during the last Israeli-Gaza conflict, so perhaps the scale of the Hamas attack allows such an offensive.

Yet let's not forget, that the actions from both sides of this conflict is going to have a dire and catastrophic on innocent civilians.

That's what I think. It's the scale of the Hamas attack that seemingly "justifies" the invasion.

Will Gaza be absorbed into Israel now? Or at least a section of it?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Seeing reports Israel are ordering circa 1m Gazans to move south of the strip ahead of a ground offensive. The UN are not happy on humanitarian grounds.

Such an order indicates a scorched earth policy doesn't it? "Well, we told then to move. What are they still doing there?"