Is now the opportunity? Should Everton go for Iraola?

[blueboy72]

There's a bit of truth to this, but it's not the whole point.

Just like with everything, on the one hand it's not people are "scared" of change, and it's not on the other than Moyes is the best manager in the world.

Like with everything, the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Most of us taking more of a pragmatic approach are simply saying, sure, I'd love to get an upgrade at manager - but who is that? There have been countless wrong turns this club has taken post-Moyes I, is now the time to step up to the roulette wheel on a still (relative) unknown that's had a couple good seasons coming off the back of 4 dumpster fire seasons, wrought with financial issues and relegation battles? Perhaps. Perhaps it is

Whether that's Iraola or someone else, first and foremost, it can't just be the club throwing money at the flashy new toy to solve all our problems. If the club properly vets the new manager, incorporating everything about running this club in particular, and it's a good fit, I'm all for it.

My fear is as we've seen time and again, we just splash cash at whatever exciting thing we think we need and when things go awry in December we're looking to sack him off the back of some bad form and now we're back at square one. It's a lot easier to make a change to drive us into Europe, sustainably, once the club is in a position of mid-table stability that decreases greatly the likelihood of another relegation battle.

That's all we're saying, for the most part. If Moyes realistic timeline for us is really only 3 or 4 years anyway, we can afford to take our time to make our next manager appointment a strategic one, and not just a knee-jerk one.

If everyone is sold Iraola is that man, then sure, let's do it

1) TFG are new to the club, you can’t tarnish them with the same brush as moshiri and kenwright.
2) giving Moyes another 3yrs and we could be a West Ham situation. A very old expensive side, where you can’t sell these players and any new manager will be scrapping around and basically have one hand tied behind his back and most likely to fail. Moyes can’t have an influence on transfers this season imo, never mind another 3

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

1) TFG are new to the club, you can’t tarnish them with the same brush as moshiri and kenwright.
2) giving Moyes another 3yrs and we could be a West Ham situation. A very old expensive side, where you can’t sell these players and any new manager will be scrapping around and basically have one hand tied behind his back and not likely to fail. Moyes can’t have an influence on transfers this season imo, never mind another 3

West Ham’s issue was not the old players, it was spending an absolute fortune on flops under their new DoF and Lopetegui.

They had actually cleared the decks for a rebuild, and the rebuild went very badly.

If anything, West Ham is a cautionary tale.

 

[blueboy72]

West Ham’s issue was not the old players, it was spending an absolute fortune on flops under their new DoF and Lopetegui.

They had actually cleared the decks for a rebuild, and the rebuild went very badly.

If anything, West Ham is a cautionary tale.

Honestly you need to some home work, and stop blaming everyone one else bar Moyes
35mil on zouma leaves on a free, 35 mil on a cb from psg, sent on loan, 30mil ward prowse sent on loan. 18mil lost om
The vlasic transfer
23mil on benrahma, loaned a couple of yrars latter
15mil lost and scammaca
7mil 6 month loan on Kalvin Philips who want even fit, another 7mil tossed into the Thames. All under Moyes’s watch and there plenty more

 

[TrixyStevens]

Don’t want another season of dirge football and no expectations.
We need a revolutionary manager. Someone who demands the best from the owners and the players.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Don’t want another season of dirge football and no expectations.
We need a revolutionary manager. Someone who demands the best from the owners and the players.

Iraola would be boss - done an incredible job at Bournemouth and plays good footy

 

[Delargeinho]

@Delargeinho said in another thread that his (Iraola) Dad has cancer and that he wants to be closer to his family in Spain. Since then the Athletic Club job has been taken and Chelsea rumours have started, though. Not discrediting @Delargeinho and his source here, just saying this could be quite complex. The world is smaller when you have money, maybe?

It is a sensitive topic, but I was not spreading false news at the time. But the good news he got the news that he’s cancer free a few days ago.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Honestly you need to some home work, and stop blaming everyone one else bar Moyes
35mil on zouma leaves on a free, 35 mil on a cb from psg, sent on loan, 30mil ward prowse sent on loan. 18mil lost om
The vlasic transfer
23mil on benrahma, loaned a couple of yrars latter
15mil lost and scammaca
7mil 6 month loan on Kalvin Philips who want even fit, another 7mil tossed into the Thames. All under Moyes’s watch and there plenty more

Zouma was a great transfer for them. What price for high finishes and a European trophy? Ward-Prowse was helping to replace Rice, so they were spending a small fraction of the fee for an experienced replacement. Vlasic wasn't great, but they got some of their money back.

Benrahma was not the player Moyes wanted, he wanted Eze. But, nevertheless, Benrahma was an important player for them and scored in the Conference final. And they sign Phillips as they had let a number of players go in that January window, so needed to bring the numbers up. That said, he was definitely not a successful loan.

But you are ignoring the big picture. Areola, Zouma, Rice, Antonio was a good spine which they had acquired or developed and which won them a trophy. Guys like Bowen and Soucek were also very good transfers - Bowen and Benrahma were the inside fowards for that European final. Even Aguerd, who wasn't a great transfer, was up for man of the match in that game. You can bitch all you like, but by and large the business and coaching was very good for West Ham. They literally had their longest sustained spell of league success in their history.

Lopetegui, Potter and Nuno are all pretty good coaches, but they have all far underperformed what Moyes achieved.

 

[blueboy72]

Zouma was a great transfer for them. What price for high finishes and a European trophy? Ward-Prowse was helping to replace Rice, so they were spending a small fraction of the fee for an experienced replacement. Vlasic wasn't great, but they got some of their money back.

Benrahma was not the player Moyes wanted, he wanted Eze. But, nevertheless, Benrahma was an important player for them and scored in the Conference final. And they sign Phillips as they had let a number of players go in that January window, so needed to bring the numbers up. That said, he was definitely not a successful loan.

But you are ignoring the big picture. Areola, Zouma, Rice, Antonio was a good spine which they had acquired or developed and which won them a trophy. Guys like Bowen and Soucek were also very good transfers - Bowen and Benrahma were the inside fowards for that European final. Even Aguerd, who wasn't a great transfer, was up for man of the match in that game. You can bitch all you like, but by and large the business and coaching was very good for West Ham. They literally had their longest sustained spell of league success in their history.

Lopetegui, Potter and Nuno are all pretty good coaches, but they have all far underperformed what Moyes achieved.

You’re just blinkered
Sustanied league success???
Last 2 seasons 14th and 9th, the season they finished 9th they conceded 74 goals and were getting smashed every other week, bit like
How we would if he kept
Playing Keane and Tarkowski

Lopetequi was there 6months and and had 1 window. Moyes 4yrs and 8
Windows, but you blame Lopetequi

 

[preposterousvelios]

You’re just blinkered
Sustanied league success???
Last 2 seasons 14th and 9th, the season they finished 9th they conceded 74 goals and were getting smashed every other week, bit like
How we would if he kept
Playing Keane and Tarkowski

Lopetequi was there 6months and and had 1 window. Moyes 4yrs and 8
Windows, but you blame Lopetequi

The dedicated Moyes defenders on here atm are probably the most impossible to reason with faction I've seen on this site.

Nuanced discussion is impossible.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

You’re just blinkered
Sustanied league success???
Last 2 seasons 14th and 9th, the season they finished 9th they conceded 74 goals and were getting smashed every other week, bit like
How we would if he kept
Playing Keane and Tarkowski

Lopetequi was there 6months and and had 1 window. Moyes 4yrs and 8
Windows, but you blame Lopetequi

I don't know why you argue, it is simply stating facts. I'm not saying he's their best ever manager (I'd consider that Lyall), but he's up there in the argument with Greenwood and Lyall. He's certainly their best since Lyall.

 

[GlosBlue]

It’s not all about the set up, surely Moyes would have won the title at Utd and not finished 7th. TFG want to buy younger and players and build something, I’d rather give Iraola 5 yrs than Moyes

I think a lot of it is. You plonk a Moyes or a Dyche in at Bournemouth and they won't get the same results. They have a system in place that works. I don't think at this stage, Everton do. I'm sure I am wrong though!

 

[JLW]

Slot might be available he's a PL winner

 

[Bally1989]

No let’s just repeat history over and over again and cry when stagnation ends up with more relegation. Then cream ourselves for more stagnation.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Slot might be available he's a PL winner

 

[Swartzy]

Just gonna put this out there as this thread seems to be getting far to congested with West Ham.

I couldn't give a .... about Moyes and his former employers, It's what he does here that matters.