Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[BlueToff]

Ironically, it's such irrational hatred that fuels many of the issues in NI. Whether it's religion, politics or bloody football (any excuse really) it's almost dogmatic.

There's been a lot of improvement in terms of peace and relations over the past few decades, but right now numerous different factors are refuelling the fire.

As @dannyboy rightly says, it's easy for us to sit here and criticise but it's far more difficult for us to understand what is an issue of dogma, bigotry and fear.

The unionists know they're facing a downward trajectory, lack of support from Westminster and now a perceived betrayal by the PSNI - their go to for decades.

Now, we've got a growing sense of unrest from the nationalist communities, so the major worry is that they'll come to blows if the situation isn't resolved.

God, the marching season could be horrific.

I don't mean it just in Northern Ireland mate. I mean anywhere.

Maybe it's wrong of me, but I genuinely question what's the point in them being here, and what do they offer?

 

[Terrarian]

I feel for people who get caught in the middle of political BS. This world is absolutely buggered and going downhill fast. people are getting worse and les tolerant because of things like twitter. Then as soon as they get a chance these lot start rioting again.

 

[Drumblue]

If there was rioting in the streets of Liverpool, Glasgow or Cardiff there would be outcry, Boris would be there making the most out of a photo opportunity in front of damaged property laying down the law but because this is happening in Belfast and Northern Ireland it is meaningless because there are no votes in it.
He used the DUP when they held the balance of power in Westminster and once he didn’t need them he ditched them and this is the result.
We are witnessing the death throws of the United Kingdom fortunately Scotland we peacefully vote their way out but we in Northern Ireland will undergo a civil disturbance and innocent people will die in pursuit of an continued ideal of Britishness that no longer exists or a longing of an Irishness that never has been.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Excellent caller to LBC today on this subject, synopses quite well how we've arrived at where we are

 

[davek]

Let no one be under any illusions that (beyond fear of a disruption to any trade deal with the US) the Tories give a flying one about a new civil war breaking out in the north of Ireland.

They never have.

On this at least I'd expect the LP to come out swinging over the possible breakdown of the GFA, seeing as it was a Blair-led success.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Let no one be under any illusions that (beyond fear of a disruption to any trade deal with the US) the Tories give a flying one about a new civil war breaking out in the north of Ireland.

They never have.

On this at least I'd expect the LP to come out swinging over the possible breakdown of the GFA, seeing as it was a Blair-led success.

Let's tone it down Dave, that's not going to happen and isn't that helpful. Yes there are still huge political problems here, no one can deny that. But the support for violence is absolutely minute.

 

[davek]

Let's tone it down Dave, that's not going to happen and isn't that helpful. Yes there are still huge political problems here, no one can deny that. But the support for violence is absolutely minute.

I was talking in terms of what that could become rather than the reality now.

The Yanks have to step in here and start cracking skulls in Whitehall.

 

[Azza]

Let's tone it down Dave, that's not going to happen and isn't that helpful. Yes there are still huge political problems here, no one can deny that. But the support for violence is absolutely minute.

I think his point is more that the Tories will do the absolute minimum to assist in resolving any disputes, rather than a support for violence.

 

[Khalekan]

 

[roydo]

Should have a wider audience that.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Words fail me

 

[PaddyJames]

Words fail me

Disgrace the narrative the media push out. Seriously winds me up

 

[Khalekan]

 

[davek]

Is this going to be the piss poor position of the LP on this issue?

In an interview with Sky News Peter Hain, a Labour peer and a former Northern Ireland secretary, said the disorder in Northern Ireland was mainly confined to loyalist communities. They felt “left behind for all sorts of reasons”, he said, but he also said they felt “betrayed” over Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal. He explained: The prime minister, Boris Johnson, did not tell it straight, with particularly the communities that are in flames at the present time, and the unionist community as a whole. He did not tell them that there would be inevitably checks and controls of a customs kind, the sorts that Northern Ireland businesses have been strangled by over recent weeks, with a mountain of paperwork and red tape. He didn’t tell them that was going to happen. And yet he signed a treaty, the withdrawal treaty in December 2019, which made it inevitable, And that’s why I think a lot of people feel betrayed. So he needs to get directly involved."

 

[davek]

Disgraceful reporting of this by the MSM. Basically, we're all supposed to be handing tea and sympathy to the petrol bombers and brick throwing rioters because they feel their identity is being undermined.

Well they supped with the devil, so that's down to them.

The likes of Hain and Powell are doing my head in on this. People who really should know better than to truckle to the "loyalists".