Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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This sort of rhetoric from arch Brexiteer Rees-Mogg is dangerous. With NI as fractious as it has been for years due to Brexit, to undermine the principle of consent now could well cost lives.


 
This sort of rhetoric from arch Brexiteer Rees-Mogg is dangerous. With NI as fractious as it has been for years due to Brexit, to undermine the principle of consent now could well cost lives.




That logic will play well with Irish America :pint2:
 
This sort of rhetoric from arch Brexiteer Rees-Mogg is dangerous. With NI as fractious as it has been for years due to Brexit, to undermine the principle of consent now could well cost lives.




One gets the impression they are trying to goad the Catholics now.

Despite knowing the Catholics want no part in “celebrating” the centenary of a state which from its outset confered second class citizenship on them, the NIO are pushing through measures which to me seem aimed at rubbing their noses in it.


They are going to send “centenary trees” to be planted in every school in NI.

That will go down well in the schools of Crissmaglen, East Tyrone and up the Falls Road.

Then they plan to have an Ecumenical service to include all faiths in Ni.

Given bith the SDLP and SF have declared they will not participate in these farcical ”celebrations“ of a century of discrimination, gerrymandering, pogrom, massacre and guerilla warfare one hopes the Catholic Church tell them to do one as well.
 
One gets the impression they are trying to goad the Catholics now.

Despite knowing the Catholics want no part in “celebrating” the centenary of a state which from its outset confered second class citizenship on them, the NIO are pushing through measures which to me seem aimed at rubbing their noses in it.


They are going to send “centenary trees” to be planted in every school in NI.

That will go down well in the schools of Crissmaglen, East Tyrone and up the Falls Road.

Then they plan to have an Ecumenical service to include all faiths in Ni.

Given bith the SDLP and SF have declared they will not participate in these farcical ”celebrations“ of a century of discrimination, gerrymandering, pogrom, massacre and guerilla warfare one hopes the Catholic Church tell them to do one as well
Nail. Head. As usual Khal....
 
One gets the impression they are trying to goad the Catholics now.

Despite knowing the Catholics want no part in “celebrating” the centenary of a state which from its outset confered second class citizenship on them, the NIO are pushing through measures which to me seem aimed at rubbing their noses in it.


They are going to send “centenary trees” to be planted in every school in NI.

That will go down well in the schools of Crissmaglen, East Tyrone and up the Falls Road.

Then they plan to have an Ecumenical service to include all faiths in Ni.

Given bith the SDLP and SF have declared they will not participate in these farcical ”celebrations“ of a century of discrimination, gerrymandering, pogrom, massacre and guerilla warfare one hopes the Catholic Church tell them to do one as well.
Rees Mogg always has to stick his beak in. Maybe as a Catholic convert he feels the need to underline his loyalty to the Unionists. He sounds very insecure.

At another level, Westminster and the Tories in particular - having secured Brexit, but in doing so almost wrecking the integrity of their own state - are now unleashing a counter-offensive against anything that accelerates the break up of the Union they set in motion. Hence they give the nod to loyalist groups to threaten violence against the enforcement of the NI Protocol, and north of the border in Scotland they're busy setting legal traps for the Nationalists.

It's all very obvious politics.

However, there are some stark material realities in play now: Brexit has been an utter 'kin disaster for trade so far. Exports to the EU fell by over 40% since the start of this year; trade with the rest of the world down by almost 10%. The trade deals meant to make up the loss of trade with the EU simply aren't there. It'd take stellar long term deals with the US / India / China / Brazil etc to make up the gap...and that's not going to happen...especially with the US if a UK Government is rattling Biden's chains over the Belfast Agreement.
 
I have just went back and re-read the posts on page 1 of this thread. Very little has changed since then in regard to the subject at hand. All the crackpot solutions regarding a border in Ireland are now consigned to the bin, and the protocol is being threatened by the DUP, who have no workable solution/proposal at all. Johnson went to Fermanagh and was stated to be 'in listening mode'. This, obviously, is because he has no idea about his next move, having lied to the Northern Irish population about the Irish Sea border and the need for checks and paperwork. Right now, Johnson is introducing unilateral measures in Ireland which are incurring the wrath of the EU. It is obvious that the first post on this thread was entirely on the money, and that we will not have a full Brexit until everything is agreed regarding the north of Ireland.

We're never going to get a full Brexit, are we?
 
I have just went back and re-read the posts on page 1 of this thread. Very little has changed since then in regard to the subject at hand. All the crackpot solutions regarding a border in Ireland are now consigned to the bin, and the protocol is being threatened by the DUP, who have no workable solution/proposal at all. Johnson went to Fermanagh and was stated to be 'in listening mode'. This, obviously, is because he has no idea about his next move, having lied to the Northern Irish population about the Irish Sea border and the need for checks and paperwork. Right now, Johnson is introducing unilateral measures in Ireland which are incurring the wrath of the EU. It is obvious that the first post on this thread was entirely on the money, and that we will not have a full Brexit until everything is agreed regarding the north of Ireland.

We're never going to get a full Brexit, are we?
Exactly this.

The protocol will of course be implemented and what we see now is just Tory bluster to try to placate the previously scorned DUP.
 
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