Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Khalekan]

What about Sammy Tache?

He has been very quiet.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Wonder what she has to say about the pan-Unionist front which failed to get the UUP candidate in Fermanagh/South Tyrone elected despite both SF and the SDLP running candidates ?

Nothing probably.

I have moaned all day about this. Why wasn’t she challenged by the BBC interviewer?

 

[Irish nsno]

Wonder what she has to say about the pan-Unionist front which failed to get the UUP candidate in Fermanagh/South Tyrone elected despite both SF and the SDLP running candidates ?

Nothing probably.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I have moaned all day about this. Why wasn’t she challenged by the BBC interviewer?

This probably wouldn't go down well in the GE thread but it is much more preferable for us that Johnson got a majority in the HOC rather than being reliant on DUP support to keep him in power.

This result has piped them right down in more ways than one: 1) they have lost support and seats at home, 2) they no longer can exert influence on the British government, and 3) they won't be able to pretend that they speak for the people of NI with 2 SDLP MPs in the HOC.

Now they have the likelihood of an economic border in the Irish Sea to contend with. Over to you Arlene..

 

[Khalekan]

This probably wouldn't go down well in the GE thread but it is much more preferable for us that Johnson got a majority in the HOC rather than being reliant on DUP support to keep him in power.

This result has piped them right down in more ways than one: 1) they have lost support and seats at home, 2) they no longer can exert influence on the British government, and 3) they won't be able to pretend that they speak for the people of NI with 2 SDLP MPs in the HOC.

Now they have the likelihood of an economic border in the Irish Sea to contend with. Over to you Arlene..

And she still has the RHI Report coming down the pike,

 

[Armaghtoffee]

This probably wouldn't go down well in the GE thread but it is much more preferable for us that Johnson got a majority in the HOC rather than being reliant on DUP support to keep him in power.

This result has piped them right down in more ways than one: 1) they have lost support and seats at home, 2) they no longer can exert influence on the British government, and 3) they won't be able to pretend that they speak for the people of NI with 2 SDLP MPs in the HOC.

Now they have the likelihood of an economic border in the Irish Sea to contend with. Over to you Arlene..

Definitely this. If I was a Nationalist politician trying to convince the hearts and minds that we are best going it alone, this Johnson government is exactly the one I would want to be facing.

As Mike Nesbitt said last night, ‘Brexit is Unionisms biggest own goal’.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Definitely this. If I was a Nationalist politician trying to convince the hearts and minds that we are best going it alone, this Johnson government is exactly the one I would want to be facing.

As Mike Nesbitt said last night, ‘Brexit is Unionisms biggest own goal’.

And while the DUP behave like ostriches with their heads in the sand, he was also on the money with this:

"Perhaps one of the great ironies of all this is that for decades Unionists have looked over their shoulders and decided that Irish nationalists were the great threat, and then more recently it was Scottish nationalists. But actually, it's English nationalism that is posing the existential threat to the future of the Union."

 

[Khalekan]

Good article on Slugger O’Toole.

Chris Donnelly’s post Election analysis and its implications for the future of NI.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/12/15/ge19-the-changing-faces-of-ni-what-it-means-for-the-unity-discussion-stormonts-return/

 

[WA Toffee]

This probably wouldn't go down well in the GE thread but it is much more preferable for us that Johnson got a majority in the HOC rather than being reliant on DUP support to keep him in power.

This result has piped them right down in more ways than one: 1) they have lost support and seats at home, 2) they no longer can exert influence on the British government, and 3) they won't be able to pretend that they speak for the people of NI with 2 SDLP MPs in the HOC.

Now they have the likelihood of an economic border in the Irish Sea to contend with. Over to you Arlene..

I could be wrong, but it seems like you are happy about cutting your nose off to spite your face?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I could be wrong, but it seems like you are happy about cutting your nose off to spite your face?

Not sure how you work that out. This has worked out well for Ireland in the end as 3 years of us campaigning against the re-emergence of a border has been a success. There won't now be a No Deal Brexit, NI is staying in the Single Market and is only nominally leaving the Customs Union as there will be an economic border between NI and GB. The GFA remains intact, the all-island economy is protected. and the peace process remains secure.

We were told on here and elsewhere that Irish government/EU would be bullied into backing down on these demands but we stood strong throughout and in the end it was PM Johnson who threw the DUP under the bus and gave way.

Brexit isn't desirable at all from an Irish POV but the way it will now be enacted is by far the least damaging for us.

 

[WA Toffee]

Not sure how you work that out. This has worked out well for Ireland in the end as 3 years of us campaigning against the re-emergence of a border has been a success. There won't now be a No Deal Brexit, NI is staying in the Single Market and is only nominally leaving the Customs Union as there will be an economic border between NI and GB. The GFA remains intact, the all-island economy is protected. and the peace process remains secure.

We were told on here and elsewhere that Irish government/EU would be bullied into backing down on these demands but we stood strong throughout and in the end it was PM Johnson who threw the DUP under the bus and gave way.

Brexit isn't desirable at all from an Irish POV but the way it will now be enacted is by far the least damaging for us.

I hope you're right. Your previous post sounded to me like you were more interested in DUP getting a bloody nose than Ireland getting a good deal. Apologies for the misinterpretation.

 

[Khalekan]

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Hahaha, time to Get Stormont Done.

(Couldn't resist that)

 

[Khalekan]

 

[summerisle]

I see there's a rumour going around that, allegedly, Arlene Foster has been doing the naughties with her chauffeur, who is Catholic, allegedly.