Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Armaghtoffee said:
It has been given a cautious welcome in general given how strongly Remain they are.

Behind closed doors they will of course be delighted that the DUP have been shown their arse and that London is explaining why NI going forward really isn’t a fully paid up member of the union.

Frankly it’s hilarious that the DUP (Dodds) is demanding the GFA is upheld and that they are flat refusing a straight out majority vote in Stormont.
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Bit ironic that considering the DUP were the main opponent of the GFA back in 1998.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
It has been given a cautious welcome in general given how strongly Remain they are.

Behind closed doors they will of course be delighted that the DUP have been shown their arse and that London is explaining why NI going forward really isn’t a fully paid up member of the union.

Frankly it’s hilarious that the DUP (Dodds) is demanding the GFA is upheld and that they are flat refusing a straight out majority vote in Stormont.
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Genuine question. If this deal goes through, and we have this weird border that isnt a border, but the actual border remains unaffected, or, in other words, life carries on as per on your Island, do you reckon that as time passes, this 4 yearly vote will kinda just disappear?
 
roydo said:
Genuine question. If this deal goes through, and we have this weird border that isnt a border, but the actual border remains unaffected, or, in other words, life carries on as per on your Island, do you reckon that as time passes, this 4 yearly vote will kinda just disappear?
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An open majority vote in Stormont will never vote to remove the deal. The second largest Unionist party (UUP) are openly pro Remain never mind the Nationalist parties plus the small middle ground.

My personal take is that the 4 year voting bit was only included to create the resemblance for the DUP that they are still in control. They needed something to sell to their hardline support who are in denial about the demographic tide that is now lapping up on Northern Irish shores.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Exactly, they are now for the first time ever in a minority position and grasping at anything to have their voices heard.
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Complete lack of foresight from the start when they decided to back Brexit. How did they suppose things would pan out? Didn't take a genius to see that the hard brexit they craved would have meant customs and border checks as they share a land border with the EU.
I think the penny has finally dropped, all the different brexit scenarios we have heard about such as Theresa's deal, Boris's deal, no deal, Norway model, Canada model. None of these suit the unionist position better than what we already have, Remaining in the EU. Unfortunately for them that ship sailed long ago.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
An open majority vote in Stormont will never vote to remove the deal. The second largest Unionist party (UUP) are openly pro Remain never mind the Nationalist parties plus the small middle ground.

My personal take is that the 4 year voting bit was only included to create the resemblance for the DUP that they are still in control. They needed something to sell to their hardline support who are in denial about the demographic tide that is now lapping up on Northern Irish shores.
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Mine too. Hope it works.
 
Ballymoney1 said:
Complete lack of foresight from the start when they decided to back Brexit. How did they suppose things would pan out? Didn't take a genius to see that the hard brexit they craved would have meant customs and border checks as they share a land border with the EU.
I think the penny has finally dropped, all the different brexit scenarios we have heard about such as Theresa's deal, Boris's deal, no deal, Norway model, Canada model. None of these suit the unionist position better than what we already have, Remaining in the EU. Unfortunately for them that ship sailed long ago.
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Well said mate.

To be fair to the UUP, they saw this coming and articulated their concerns economically as well as constitutionally.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
They are trapped now Roydo, no matter what they do now they have lost credibility either at Westminster or with their own local Unionist base.

They were played like a fiddle despite all historical and topical warnings as to how NI is always expendable in negotiations.
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I wont comment on the nuance of the political stuff, cos I am pig ignorant of it. But having Irish family by marriage, and without wanting to cause offence, my view from a laptop in Bristol would be that the mood of normal folk over there would be one of "It kinda works, nothing has actually changed", meaning any traction the lunatic fringe might try to exploit would be drowned out by a chorus of indifference.
 
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