Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Armaghtoffee]

lol

The pressure of it all is getting to Mark but I must cut a fellow border resident some slack.

We’ll likely be part of the same salt smuggling operation soon enough and the last thing we need is tension before we even get started.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

lol

The pressure of it all is getting to Mark but I must cut a fellow border resident some slack.

We’ll likely be part of the same salt smuggling operation soon enough and the last thing we need is tension before we even get started.

It was in jest ffs, hence the laughing smiley. What an over the top reaction.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

It was in jest ffs, hence the laughing smiley. What an over the top reaction.

As was mine mate, my fault if the humour didn’t translate

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

As was mine mate, my fault if the humour didn’t translate

Bit of green on green here.....

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Bit of green on green here.....

Ah not at all Emlyn, all mates in here!

Let’s all join hands and dance in a circle around Brexit lads lol

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

First middle finger from 'I don't do middle fingers' @peteblue. I am truly honoured.

Yes one of them was a serving British soldier who was also in the UVF. The truth can really hurt sometimes.

 

[Rook]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGWk4twX0AAbPbN?format=jpg&name=small

 

[Rook]

 

[summerisle]

'Neutral venue'. lol

 

[roydo]

I am more than happy to be corrected by those in here/over there, but this has been bugging me for a few years now. As I understand, the GFA is an internationally recognised treaty, guaranteed, (if that is the right word), by the UK, the ROI, and, I think, the US. (Might be the EU, dunno).

Within that treaty, whilst my words will be different from those used, it says that NO controls, infrastructure, checks, basically anything resembling a border, anywhere on the whole island, are not allowed. Ever. (Unless I guess, everyone thinks its a good idea, which means forever anyate).

So please, for a semi literate Englishman, (with roots in the celtic soil), please tell me I am wrong in saying that Brexit is an unsolvable question, or, I have absolutely missed sommet that millions havnt.

Thanks. R.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am more than happy to be corrected by those in here/over there, but this has been bugging me for a few years now. As I understand, the GFA is an internationally recognised treaty, guaranteed, (if that is the right word), by the UK, the ROI, and, I think, the US. (Might be the EU, dunno).

Within that treaty, whilst my words will be different from those used, it says that NO controls, infrastructure, checks, basically anything resembling a border, anywhere on the whole island, are not allowed. Ever. (Unless I guess, everyone thinks its a good idea, which means forever anyate).

So please, for a semi literate Englishman, (with roots in the celtic soil), please tell me I am wrong in saying that Brexit is an unsolvable question, or, I have absolutely missed sommet that millions havnt.

Thanks. R.

You are correct in your wording Roydo and the wording is also found in Section 10(2)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 which explicitly commits the UK not to “create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU”.

This is unsolvable unless all of Ireland remains in both the Single Market and the Customs Union to continue to facilitate current unhindered passage over the border.

 

[Khalekan]

I am more than happy to be corrected by those in here/over there, but this has been bugging me for a few years now. As I understand, the GFA is an internationally recognised treaty, guaranteed, (if that is the right word), by the UK, the ROI, and, I think, the US. (Might be the EU, dunno).

Within that treaty, whilst my words will be different from those used, it says that NO controls, infrastructure, checks, basically anything resembling a border, anywhere on the whole island, are not allowed. Ever. (Unless I guess, everyone thinks its a good idea, which means forever anyate).

So please, for a semi literate Englishman, (with roots in the celtic soil), please tell me I am wrong in saying that Brexit is an unsolvable question, or, I have absolutely missed sommet that millions havnt.

Thanks. R.

I would say so, Roy.

That is why the Backstop was invented and that remains the only viable way for Brexit and the GFA to co-exist.

It is beyond criminal that this has not been implemented already.

Another thing the GFA guarantees is “no change in the constitutional position of NI unless the people vote for it”.

That was the safeguard to protect the Unionist position whilst giving Nationalists a pathway to a United Ireland,

It is known as the Principle of Consent and it is the rock on which the GFA stands and it kept everybody happy.

Everybody except the DUP of course, who have hated the GFA since rhe getgo and probably only supported Brexit in t’ first place because they saw the potential to wreck it.

Brexit itself changes the constitutional position of NI, taking it out of the EU, but it does so without the consenf of its people, whom voted more comfortably to Remain than England boted to Leave.

And that us why we have this logjam.

 

[Khalekan]

You are correct in your wording Roydo and the wording is also found in Section 10(2)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 which explicitly commits the UK not to “create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU”.

This is unsolvable unless all of Ireland remains in both the Single Market and the Customs Union to continue to facilitate current unhindered passage over the border.

I am reminded of Winston Churchill’s remarks after WW1 ended and things were starting to kick off in Ireland.

The whole map of Europe has been changed … but as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again.


lol

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am reminded of Winston Churchill’s remarks after WW1 ended and things were starting to kick off in Ireland.

The whole map of Europe has been changed … but as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again.


lol

I certainly agree with the dreary Tyrone bit

 

[Charlie Sweet]

What's the latest with Sammy tache?