I must have missed the recent French war with Switzerland Joe. Surely the issue isn't that there is a border, it's that there is a border that was the subject of conflict for 100+ years and that was only recently peacefully resolved?
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I must have missed the recent French war with Switzerland Joe. Surely the issue isn't that there is a border, it's that there is a border that was the subject of conflict for 100+ years and that was only recently peacefully resolved?
Nothing to do with war did not ralise were at war since the Good friday agreement Bruce - google it !
the fact is an you well know it land border of a non EU country already exist for trade no war = no problem!
Its about trade you are making more out of this - as per usual typical remaoners!
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They're both part of the Schengen Area, so you're chatting bubbles again Joey ffs.
Freedom of movement is equally as important as trade Joey.
Trade cannot be disrupted by a border on the island of Ireland. Davis has attempted the 'invisible border checking trade with technology' waffle. But any structure that has technology checking goods - if it actually exists - will be seen as a border. That is why he then tried the 'we will have to trust firms to tell us what goods they are moving' scenario.
All Ireland institutes move people and goods all the time across the island of Ireland. This cannot be disrupted under all the agreements signed by the UK and the Irish Republic.
There has become a stark choice for the Tories, either suffer the political consequences of standing up to the DUP and agree to special status for Northern Ireland or renege on an international agreement. Is the dog going to wag the tail or is the tail wagging the dog. No wonder May has been pleading with Tusk to tell the Irish to drop their demands for a written guarantee that they will honour the Good Friday Agreement.
He's talking sense Joey, he has been for a while.
Your post here shows a complete lack of understanding about the border. The Good Friday agreement requires special status for NI if the UK leaves the EU but the tories cant deliver that while power sharing with the DUP.
It's up to the Tories to come up with a solution that works for them, brexit voters, the DUP, Ireland and the other EU members. Good luck with that
The DUP are playing a dangerous game here.
If the choice facing the Brexit fanatics is living with part of the UK effectively still in the EU or just cutting free of the North they will choose the latter.
If they weren’t so bitter they would be very much pushing May to go for the “soft Brexit” with special status for NI approach as “hard Brexit” raises the possibility of a British pull out altogether or IMO the prospect of re-partition in Ireland.
The latter course would be another disaster.
And BTW......Foster totally ignores the fact that the majority of people in NI voted Remain so taking a less anti EU stance would only be adhering to majority opinion in her own province.
I don’t know who is worse when it comes to negotiating........May or Moshiri
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The DUP are playing a dangerous game here.
If the choice facing the Brexit fanatics is living with part of the UK effectively still in the EU or just cutting free of the North they will choose the latter.
If they weren’t so bitter they would be very much pushing May to go for the “soft Brexit” with special status for NI approach as “hard Brexit” raises the possibility of a British pull out altogether or IMO the prospect of re-partition in Ireland.
The latter course would be another disaster.
And BTW......Foster totally ignores the fact that the majority of people in NI voted Remain so taking a less anti EU stance would only be adhering to majority opinion in her own province.
I don’t know who is worse when it comes to negotiating........May or Moshiri
They won't admit to it but I reckon a large element of the DUP want a border. To hell with the economy as long as they get to fly the union jack beside a border post they will be happy. It's all about identity politics for them.
I make you 100% correct in that assessment.
The DUP are playing a dangerous game here.
If the choice facing the Brexit fanatics is living with part of the UK effectively still in the EU or just cutting free of the North they will choose the latter.
If they weren’t so bitter they would be very much pushing May to go for the “soft Brexit” with special status for NI approach as “hard Brexit” raises the possibility of a British pull out altogether or IMO the prospect of re-partition in Ireland.
The latter course would be another disaster.
And BTW......Foster totally ignores the fact that the majority of people in NI voted Remain so taking a less anti EU stance would only be adhering to majority opinion in her own province.
I don’t know who is worse when it comes to negotiating........May or Moshiri
The main reason the DUP have been venomously opposed to the GFA is the clause that allows a vote on unification. The DUP's main line of attack is a wrecking ball that would smash all in its' tracks including the economy. At least that way there won't be any sort of vote for unification.
May or Moshiri
both have their strings pulled by others.
We have been trading before the troubles from the 1920's this is just taking up an excuse to,put a spanner in the works on us leaving the EU also it's a cart before the horse situation a trade deal has to be agreed first before any proposed problem could arise that in my eyes is the intrangence of the EU negotiations
No Bruce we had a trade no noncence deal with then Eire now southern Island from the 1920's only a hard border came in the troubles now resolved - The EU now try to throw a spanner in the works on Brexit the head of WTO was on LBC today stating how remainers are blowing tarrifs worldwide into a big issue when it's really an earner for the UK
The single market is not free trade Bruce it cost us dear 8 billion pound per year just to trade he reckons the EU would suffer more than us, if we don't get a fair deal and The UK need to show some backbone in the negotiations
Freedom of travel and freedom of labour between UK and ROI predates the EU. There should be no change. The simple fact is that the Irish government are being forced into actions that will punish themselves as part of the EUs vendetta to punish Britain. Ireland will leave the EU within a decade.
And it's an absolute disgrace that Barnier is allowed to keep pedalling the line about the threat to the peace process. He knows nothing about NI, and the peace will only be under threat if the scumbag terrorist pick up the gun again. The EU seem intent on almost legitimising that action as part of their agenda.
And it's an absolute disgrace that Barnier is allowed to keep pedalling the line about the threat to the peace process. He knows nothing about NI, and the peace will only be under threat if the scumbag terrorist pick up the gun again. The EU seem intent on almost legitimising that action as part of their agenda.
Yes there was trade from the 20's, there was also a hard customs border. This border and the policing of it was partly to blame for the troubles on the island. With the exception of a few hardcore unionists, nobody on the whole island wants the re-introduction of a hard border, this is partly why the people of the republic voted to give up articles 2 and 3 of our constitution.
It's not talking up an excuse and to think it is just highlights the short sighted thinking (with regard to NI) of the average Brexit voter from GB.
Voting to leave the EU with no plan in place for how to do it is the perfect example of 'putting the cart before the horse'
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