Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[edge]

Seems like the deadlock may be broken as apparently May has agreed to an NI specific backstop to the UK backstop which would keep NI in the Single Market and Customs Union. The DUP are fuming of course and won't support it so there will be a difficulty getting it through the House of Commons. Interesting times ahead.

Hope it works out , would most people in northern Ireland support it?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Hope it works out , would most people in northern Ireland support it?

Yes, NI voted against Brexit so the less hard it is the better. The DUP won't, but they don't represent the majority. The vast majority of people on both sides of the border want to preserve the status quo as it has brought us 20 years of peace which many of us thought we would never see. But any form of Brexit will be damaging especially for those of us who live in border areas so we are far from out of the woods.

 

[Caolam]

Yes, NI voted against Brexit so the less hard it is the better. The DUP won't, but they don't represent the majority. The vast majority of people on both sides of the border want to preserve the status quo as it has brought us 20 years of peace which many of us thought we would never see. But any form of Brexit will be damaging especially for those of us who live in border areas so we are far from out of the woods.

I have no doubt that a hard border would bring violence back unto the streets of Northern Ireland. There is a small element of republican dissidents who believe that they should never have went down the political route. If there is a hard border and Northern Ireland is moved further away ideologically from the south then.that will be proof that politics has failed. This will give them a legitimacy to go back to the gun. A hard border and a more British Northern Ireland will embolden hard line loyalists and will legitimise the defence of the Union.
Once violence breaks out people will polarise and we will be back to the darkest days of our troubles. I for one would much rather see food lorries being checked at Belfast docks rather than see bloodshed on the streets.

 

[bullybeef]

Looks like a General Election will be the ultimate result from this so called agreement.

The tories are about to implode!!

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Looks like there is a breakthrough with agreed text on the North!!

I hope to God this works for everyone's sakes.

https://www.independent.ie/business...-manage-the-irish-border-agreed-37524355.html

It’s a backstop to a backstop with NI remaining in the EU customs union with a hard border in the Irish Sea.

Held together with a caveat that it will be sorted out during further negotiations upto 2020.

Total fudge, it won’t fly and May will go ...cue GE

 

[Amw79]

No way this deal gets through parliament. DUP will vote against, and a good proportion of the Tory hardline Brexiphiles will vote against.

Don’t see why the Tory’s would have GE when they could just have a leadership contest and retain power (unless I’m missing something, I don’t think they’re under any obligation to call a GE if May goes).

No deal it is.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I have no doubt that a hard border would bring violence back unto the streets of Northern Ireland. There is a small element of republican dissidents who believe that they should never have went down the political route. If there is a hard border and Northern Ireland is moved further away ideologically from the south then.that will be proof that politics has failed. This will give them a legitimacy to go back to the gun. A hard border and a more British Northern Ireland will embolden hard line loyalists and will legitimise the defence of the Union.
Once violence breaks out people will polarise and we will be back to the darkest days of our troubles. I for one would much rather see food lorries being checked at Belfast docks rather than see bloodshed on the streets.

That's a scenario that could very well play out as some of us have been banging on about for ages on here. It's dismissed as part of Project Fear by the pro-Brexit camp though. Little do they know...

 

[Harryflashman]

That's a scenario that could very well play out as some of us have been banging on about for ages on here. It's dismissed as part of Project Fear by the pro-Brexit camp though. Little do they know...

Listened to farage on lbc yesterday and caller was actually saying “what’s wrong with a hard border , I was there as a soldier . It’s all revved up by the south and the EU” . It’s just ignoring genuine potential problems , real problems to pursue the dream .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

If there is this technology out there to manage frictionless border, surely there is a company or individual out there somewhere with it, all I hear is political commentary stating there is or is not.
This is their moment to make an absolute mint if individual or company does exist, and why have they not come forward with it, surely the Dyson guy knows someone with the technology?

 

[Ruairi77]

Is there any synopsis of what the agreement will mean for the border?

 

[Khalekan]

Is there any synopsis of what the agreement will mean for the border?

Yes.....pretty much as it is now.

Frictionless, invisible and most importantly, non contentious.

Which is all any right thinking person wanted all along.

 

[Ruairi77]

Yes.....pretty much as it is now.

Frictionless, invisible and most importantly, non contentious.

Which is all any right thinking person wanted all along.

yea but is that a permanent part of the deal or is it revisited in 2020, have they kicked the can down the road?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Is there any synopsis of what the agreement will mean for the border?

It sounds from Barnier's speech that the integrity of the GFA and the all-island economy will be fully respected in the scenario where there is no agreement found in the EU/UK deal during the next 2 years. The UK government have agreed to this which is encouraging.

It's only a temporary position though as the arse is going to fall out of this deal in the next few days at Westminster.

 

[Khalekan]

yea but is that a permanent part of the deal or is it revisited in 2020, have they kicked the can down the road?

Yes, it will be permanent.

NI is in fact being given the “Special Status” Mr. Barnier offered months ago.

This deal is May dropping the fiction that NI is just the same as “the rest of the UK”......albeit she will not come right out and say it.

We all know that the north of Ireland is totally different from the north of Wales or the north of England......for a whole host of reasons.

And if the DUP had any sense they should be celebrating this deal.

Certainly a lot of their supporters in the agricultural heartlands of Ulster will be celebrating.

 

[Ruairi77]