Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[gonetomorrow]

We'll have to have a hard border. Roadblocks, passport control the lot.
It's logical isn't it? I didn't vote to leave but hey it's what happened.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

its 2018!

Unbelievable but sadly unsurprising also.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Good Friday Agreement Tim?

Yes constitutionally it's the one.

I'm talking about the practical stuff that people keep making an issue out of. Free travel, freedom of work, free trade etc.

Just wish they'd get on with it and be sensible and stop scaremongering. Teresa seems to want to do a deal to delay talking about talking about doing a deal so she can spend time thinking about how she can negotiate opportunities for further talks about doing a deal.... zzzzzzzzz

She's obviously spent too much time at Stormont ffs lol

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Yes constitutionally it's the one.

I'm talking about the practical stuff that people keep making an issue out of. Free travel, freedom of work, free trade etc.

Just wish they'd get on with it and be sensible and stop scaremongering. Teresa seems to want to do a deal to delay talking about talking about doing a deal so she can spend time thinking about how she can negotiate opportunities for further talks about doing a deal.... zzzzzzzzz

She's obviously spent too much time at Stormont ffs lol

The sad thing is there is no chance of the Stormont executive returning until this Brexit mess is sorted out. Meanwhile people are deprived of a government which can make decisions about things which are essential for local people such as health and housing etc. Now that it looks like the UK is going to go with the one foot in/one foot out option for the next 3 years there is little chance of anything happening on that front anytime soon. Its a fiasco.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

If I was Irish, (and I am a little bit, apparently), I would be fuming at all this.

And as an Englishman, (quite a bit more), I am ashamed.

To be fair to you Roydo, Ireland wasn’t a media or a popular culture topic for anyone Non Irish pre Brexit.

Us Irish lads have been banging a drum here about the issue, passions high and all that but probably misconstrued.

Where this site has been good for me is to listen to @peteblue, @Old Blue 2, @Joey66 explain their vote and help me personally get an insight into how much they actually do understand the outworkings of Brexit as regards Ireland.

Hopefully it has been good learning on both sides.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The sad thing is there is no chance of the Stormont executive returning until this Brexit mess is sorted out. Meanwhile people are deprived of a government which can make decisions about things which are essential for local people such as health and housing etc. Now that it looks like the UK is going to go with the one foot in/one foot out option for the next 3 years there is little chance of anything happening on that front anytime soon. Its a fiasco.

I'm glad they aren't in Stormont at the minute. One fiasco to another with them squandering millions on a weekly basis. It was a shambles.

Until someone with an ounce of clout and competency comes on the scene then i have little interest in seeing the circus back on the road

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I'm glad they aren't in Stormont at the minute. One fiasco to another with them squandering millions on a weekly basis. It was a shambles.

Until someone with an ounce of clout and competency comes on the scene then i have little interest in seeing the circus back on the road

Arlene certainly won’t be leading the bandwagon next time out.

Given the changes ahead (demographic and Brexit) you only think you have seen a shambles.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Arlene certainly won’t be leading the bandwagon next time out.

Given the changes ahead (demographic and Brexit) you only think you have seen a shambles.

You know it was a shambles when you stop having a government and it feels like things have got better lol

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You know it was a shambles when you stop having a government and it feels like things have got better lol

For most people things haven't got better at all as NI is being run by a Tory government from Westminster. They desperately need the executive back up and running asap which is what people voted for and which is an integral part of the GFA.

 

[ToffeeTim]

For most people things haven't got better at all as NI is being run by a Tory government at Westminster. They desperately need the executive back up and running asap as people which is what people voted for and which is an integral part of the GFA.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't miss it at all. The 2 parties who will inevitably be reelected are both unfit for office and to quote Teresa May "no government is better than a bad government."

Or something like that lol

 

[Ruairi77]

Here's Fintan O'Toole in the Guardian summing up my feelings better than I could! Have a read @peteblue
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...theresa-may-northern-ireland?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[random]

Not sure if posted elsewhere in this thread but I came across this Bordering two unions very interesting book that is free to read regarding some of the problems being faced and possible solutions.

Am about half way through it, but recommend people give it a read to get a more detailed insight into what is going on.

 

[Ruairi77]

Well, it looks like Varadkar has the support of the Irish public!

 

[peteblue]

Well, the first and most gormless answer is "I voted leave and we won" but only idiots would assume that only the borders of three constituent countries of the four comprising the UK would count in a yes/no referendum. You lot voted for "taking back control of our borders". It's just a shame that you and your like we're kidded by the government of the day as much as you are still being kidded. Given that you voted 'without all of the facts', do you wish for a second vote?

Your post has no connection to the reply I gave.....you are now just making things up randomly.....

 

[peteblue]

Tax harmonisation.....I told you it was coming.....

“The European Union is drawing up plans to control Britain’s tax policies after Brexit, leaked documents seen by The Daily Telegraph disclose.
According to draft documents, the EU wants to ensure the UK pledges to keep its tax rules aligned with those of the bloc as part of any future Brexit agreement.
Such a move would prevent the UK from becoming a low-tax economy by cutting its corporation tax rate to attract business. And – depending on the wording of any agreement – it could mean that any future changes to the EU’s tax rules would need to be followed by the UK, even years after Brexit.”

“Although it has no current power over the UK’s tax, the EU has made no secret of its desire to clamp down on low-tax member states, including Ireland, and has long called for a universal corporation tax rate.
Last month Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, called for national vetoes on tax to be scrapped, causing uproar among Irish politicians amid fears it would choke off investment.”......