Donald Twain
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Anyone know where the milky bar tit works like?
Incredibly arrogant Chelski fan
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The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
At the highest levels you employ or contract someone as much for their judgement as their technical competence. With regards to a lawyer you are also asking them to represent you or your company.
This guy demonstrates appalling judgement and is unlikely to be seen as a suitable representative.
He's made himself unemployable.
Donald Twain
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In one!
At the end of the day he is in a top job, very well paid with lots of responsibility.
Rightly or wrongly in those jobs how you conduct yourself outside of the working sphere plays a massive part. Yelling obscenities about people from a certain part of the country and behaving in a completely out of control way is hardly going to fit with the type of image his company wants to portray. Nor are his hateful blogs.
His problems for employment are going to be exacerbated by his position and nature of his job. His position means he is likely to have a team of people working for him who are expected to live up to a decent standard of behaviour in public. I would imagine his ability to conduct that part of his role is greatly undermined.
Secondly his role as a lawyer is about calmly accessing information and making a case. He is completely out of control in that video, he's lost it. I imagine his employers have seen the writing on the wall.
No doubt there will be some saying "nanny state" this or "what's wrong with a bloke letting off steam". The obvious point to make though, is the sort of bloke who wants to engage in such banter doesn't get the opportunity to work in such jobs. They kind of root out that behaviour. Likewise it can't really be a nanny state when it's a private company, often hostile to the states aims who have made the decision.
There will be a dozen people better suited ready to fill his role. I am not saying that's right or wrong, but this isn't your knobhead 17 year old who works for Macdonalds, this is a highly qualified individual.
I have to say I don't particularly like the idea that people are expected to carry on a level of professionalism outside of the workplace. Nor do I think people should really be losing their jobs for stupid behaviour outside of work.
However I can't imagine that idiot would hold any great degree of sympathy on either of the above issues. I'm sure he'd have people sacked if he wanted too, he just wants the right to do it himself. That alongside the fact he basically runs a blog attacking poor people and hates people from areas of the country that are less affluent doesn't endear me to him greatly and I can't care much either way.
But please, drop this bizarre notion that this is indicative of some loony left regime of political correctness. A knob acted in a deplorable way. His right wing, anti-state, anti- PC private company subsequently decided he was a liability to them. If you have any anger direct it towards them. It has nothing to do with the state, who have made no attempt to infringe his right to free speech. A right to work in a how profile job is a very different thing.
Rightly or wrongly in those jobs how you conduct yourself outside of the working sphere plays a massive part. Yelling obscenities about people from a certain part of the country and behaving in a completely out of control way is hardly going to fit with the type of image his company wants to portray. Nor are his hateful blogs.
His problems for employment are going to be exacerbated by his position and nature of his job. His position means he is likely to have a team of people working for him who are expected to live up to a decent standard of behaviour in public. I would imagine his ability to conduct that part of his role is greatly undermined.
Secondly his role as a lawyer is about calmly accessing information and making a case. He is completely out of control in that video, he's lost it. I imagine his employers have seen the writing on the wall.
No doubt there will be some saying "nanny state" this or "what's wrong with a bloke letting off steam". The obvious point to make though, is the sort of bloke who wants to engage in such banter doesn't get the opportunity to work in such jobs. They kind of root out that behaviour. Likewise it can't really be a nanny state when it's a private company, often hostile to the states aims who have made the decision.
There will be a dozen people better suited ready to fill his role. I am not saying that's right or wrong, but this isn't your knobhead 17 year old who works for Macdonalds, this is a highly qualified individual.
I have to say I don't particularly like the idea that people are expected to carry on a level of professionalism outside of the workplace. Nor do I think people should really be losing their jobs for stupid behaviour outside of work.
However I can't imagine that idiot would hold any great degree of sympathy on either of the above issues. I'm sure he'd have people sacked if he wanted too, he just wants the right to do it himself. That alongside the fact he basically runs a blog attacking poor people and hates people from areas of the country that are less affluent doesn't endear me to him greatly and I can't care much either way.
But please, drop this bizarre notion that this is indicative of some loony left regime of political correctness. A knob acted in a deplorable way. His right wing, anti-state, anti- PC private company subsequently decided he was a liability to them. If you have any anger direct it towards them. It has nothing to do with the state, who have made no attempt to infringe his right to free speech. A right to work in a how profile job is a very different thing.
It's not an either or though is it? Milky Bar kid would have lost his job as well, but I just doubt he has one.
The Cowboy
Player Valuation: £60m
Not at all, good sir. Merely pointing out that there no way he's a cockney with that accent.
Dithering Dougie
Banned
Wouldn't a repremand be more fitting along with some sort of social media training?
Bungle
Player Valuation: £90m
*Puts away pen knife*
Sadly I do have to admit that he definitely sounds like a Berks or Bucks boy
You are deciding the company's policy's there though. The question really should be why you, as a member of the public feel you can intervene in a private businesses affairs of who they do and don't receive.
We have no idea what his past track record is like. We have no idea how he responded to it.
I am not being ultra-critical here, but I would not trust sending that guy to go and meet a major client. And there are 100 of him ready to fill his role who would give their right bollock to do that job and represent themselves properly in public. It sounds cut throat but that's what it will come down too. You lose the faith of the company and you will be gone.
His rant is obvious grounds for misconduct in a role that requires him to front the business in front of influential clients. It is hard for people to grasp that, but at that level of business you just cannot behave that way.
Donald Twain
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The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
No, if he worked for me he would have been fired instantly for gross misconduct.
Dithering Dougie
Banned
I'm not deciding anything. It was a question.
Of course we have no idea about his employment history, I don't care to be honest, but would he have been sacked without people targeting him? I doubt his employers give to hoots what he gets up to at the football as long as he's doing his job well enough, and if he wasn't doing his job well enough anyone of those 100 people who are ready to fill the role would have been installed already.
Oh and it's nice to see you've decided his rant is grounds for misconduct, I trust you know their company policy well.
Ok so on what basis are you in any position to agree or disagree with a private company's policy? Even if you don't like it there's nothing you can do about it. If you are so appalled go and set up your own company. That's the flawed logic of liberalism capitalism.
As for the rest well nobody has "targeted" him. He has targeted people living in another part of the country. He was stupid enough to do in on a public platform that could be viewed by his company. The daft knob.
Unfortunately I think it's very clear his employers would care about "what he gets up to at football. Your attitude and outlook is unfortunately of another time. It's not the 80's anymore and people do not accept men can go to the football behave like a knob and have no come back. In the area and role he works in, how he conducts himself is key to his job role and benefits that grants him. If he does not want to sacrifice behaving well in his private life he needs to go and find a role where that isn't expected of him and the company will find the relevant person who will conduct themselves appropriately in his absence. In essence he needs them far more than they need him.
I have no idea of their company policy. Having worked for other similar companies I can assure you that his rant in the public sphere would be cast iron grounds for gross misconduct. So you are right when you say his past work history makes no difference.
I know you want this idea that the mob have bullied a poor victim out of his job. What has really happened his an odios little cretin has decided to act completely outside of the values his company want. They've found out and informed him he isn't right for their company. Job done. No hysteria, no lynch mobs, no loss of free speech. He can now blog and rant on video's to his hearts content.
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