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[hullefc]

I am not sure there is any kind of parallel between the two - though certainly those among the Labour opposition to Corbyn who were most active this week seem to have gone quiet over this (as they did over Yemen, tbf).

After all this is the only chance the likes of Woodcock, Gapes, Umunna et al will have for at least a couple of years to spoil an election result and then claim that Corbyn is unelectable, plus I'd imagine the whole Brexit stuff has them in a conniption and of course the recent changes at the top of the party also made their positions far less secure than they had been. Perhaps some sort of activity was always going to happen, though of course given what some people have been coming out with in terms of dodginess then the party should jump at the chance to get rid.

Also, just as an aside the shootings at the demonstrations were much more justifiable than what happened earlier - when the IDF hit* two blokes who they thought were acting suspiciously near a fence, but who (it now appears) were in fact farmers, on their own farm, farming.

* and by "hit" I mean allegedly fired tank and artillery shells at them, killing one and wounding another

'shootings at the demonstrations were much more justifiable than what happened earlier' shooting and killing demonstrators is justifiable'? Usual tactics from the IDF.

* and by "hit" I mean allegedly fired tank and artillery shells at them, killing one and wounding another


All the 'anti-semitism in the Labour party' has resulted in their silence over these IDF's killings. Job done by those justifying the occupation of Palestine.

 

[tsubaki]

'shootings at the demonstrations were much more justifiable than what happened earlier' shooting and killing demonstrators is justifiable'? Usual tactics from the IDF.

* and by "hit" I mean allegedly fired tank and artillery shells at them, killing one and wounding another


All the 'anti-semitism in the Labour party' has resulted in their silence over these IDF's killings. Job done by those justifying the occupation of Palestine.

Shooting live rounds at people who are trying to breach a fence isn't justifiable, but its more justifiable than shooting tank rounds at someone picking parsley on their own farm.

 

[zzr45]

The labour party has an anti semitic problem less than or equal to that of the Conservative party. Any other impression is due to excessive propaganda and character assassination.
As a consequence of this particular approach the membership of momentum has increased exponentially.
The system is scared because the people are being offered something 'off-message', anyone believing any of the other stuff as anything other than theatricals needs to take a much closer look.

Again, this is the problem isn’t it? There’s a belief that Corbyn is the second coming and anything said against him is propaganda.

He’s every bit as ineffectual leader as May and seems unable to get his own party under control.

 

[magicjuan]

Again, this is the problem isn’t it? There’s a belief that Corbyn is the second coming and anything said against him is propaganda.

He’s every bit as ineffectual leader as May and seems unable to get his own party under control.

And yet he recieves a hugely disproportionate amount of attacks on his character, is vilified at every turn, and almost all of society's ills are attributed to him as leader of the opposition. The 'opposition', remember, not the actual prime minister, yet he's culpable for everything that's bad in this society, according to the media, state broadcaster especially.
These 'accusers' do not make a noise about election fraud, mp's salary increases vs nurses rises, arms trading, collateral deathsby our armed forces, in comparison, and the list goes on and on and on, yet a tweet (ffs) from 6 years ago has risen to denounce, much like the christ if you want to keep your analogy, as an heretical subversive anarchist (as the christ figure was), this man who is a threat to the establishment (don't forget you started yhe analogy).
I am not Corbyn's biggest fan and see him as far from a second coming, he is still to the right of callaghan, but he is a step in the right direction (sic), and offers an alternative to the existing narrative. The constant vilification is to discredit him as a person, ergo his policies, ergo his politics. It is absolute nonsense and many of those bleating about the democratic process of brexit will uphold this undemocratic attack on Corbyn.

 

[tsubaki]

Again, this is the problem isn’t it? There’s a belief that Corbyn is the second coming and anything said against him is propaganda.

He’s every bit as ineffectual leader as May and seems unable to get his own party under control.

It isn't that at all - its that he is held to a standard that no other politician is held to.

No other politician, and certainly no commentator or journalist, would ever be blamed for what other people have posted on groups on social media that in more than a few cases (all the ones the Sunday Times mentioned, for instance) they are not even a member of. No-one else would be held personally responsible for what other people say anonymously on the internet.

What makes it worse of course is that the same media are studiously ignoring the fact that much worse online abuse is taking place right now (do a twitter search for Sadiq Khan if you want to read it), and that the abuse mirrors the tactics taken by Zac Goldsmith in 2016, and the Tories in the forthcoming Council elections.

As for the comparison to May, I think the problem here is that you confuse May having no power to tackle her opposition (and that is if she wanted to) with Corbyn's reluctance to take the 20-35 members of the PLP who have never accepted the decisions of the membership of their party on. Whether that is the result of him being ineffectual, of him not having the means to effectively remove them (given that they would remain MPs), or of him waiting until they destroy themselves (which is not a vain hope - the 172 rebels of Summer 2016 went down to about 35 last time, and might reduce further given events) is a bit of a moot point.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Shooting live rounds at people who are trying to breach a fence isn't justifiable, but its more justifiable than shooting tank rounds at someone picking parsley on their own farm.

I agree with your point. However have to stress that if something 'isn't justifiable', it can't be 'more justifiable' than another thing. Maybe 'not quite as bad as..' would be a better way of comparing these horrendous acts.

 

[zzr45]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43620717

Momentum now admit there’s a problem. All a smear campaign though

 

[roydo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43620717

Momentum now admit there’s a problem. All a smear campaign though

Oh. Thats a bit interesting

 

[Blues Harp]

No, selfish MPs like her - who's priority is the state of Israel not British social democracy - make it a potential disaster for the country. Their role within the LP is to drag its policy as far as it can possibly go toward backing (or at least ignoring) the Israeli state on its mission of land grabs on the West Bank and to harass the Gaza population. THAT is your friend's priority, not the election of a LP committed to tackling the causes of poverty and injustice here in Britain.

Spot on Dave....people will not see that criticism of the Israeli government does not constitute anti semitism ....the west is happy for their govt to have nuclear weapons but not other countries....disgusting

 

[Blues Harp]

 

[Moomin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43620717

Momentum now admit there’s a problem. All a smear campaign though

Good to see, lets get it kicked out of our party and leave the casual racism to the likes of Boris Johnson and Rees Mogg.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ok got it, Right wing Jews good. Left wing Jews bad and antisemite!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231

 

[Tubey]

Ok got it, Right wing Jews good. Left wing Jews bad and antisemite!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231

Let's face it though, he knew what he was doing there and it was a middle finger to his critics. Which, given all this needs is a softly softly common sense approach to solve, is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to do.

It's like saying you're not anti-Christian then meeting the Westboro Baptist Church to prove it.

I don't know what it is with Corbyn. He makes the easy things look hard - like open goals in PMQs and not making stupid mistakes on a daily basis - and the hard things look easy - like underdog general election campaigns.

 

[Danny1986]

Mate how is this even a thread on an everton fan forum. The majority of our fans are sound and then you have bell ends like this.
I don’t see the problem with wanting a fairer society for all, the happiest places in the world to live are all democratic socialist countries.
Some of our fans are [Poor language removed] embarrassing, we have a reputation for being one of the most proactive clubs within our community but some people only give a [Poor language removed] about themselves. [Poor language removed] off

 

[Blue 1]

Right wing MP's now telling Corbyn he's spent Passover with "the wrong type of Jew". That, ladies and gentlemen, is about as anti-Semitic as it gets.