Current Affairs How old were you when you grew up and stopped voting Labour?

[Tubey]

Mate how is this even a thread on an everton fan forum. The majority of our fans are sound and then you have bell ends like this.
I don’t see the problem with wanting a fairer society for all, the happiest places in the world to live are all democratic socialist countries.
Some of our fans are [Poor language removed] embarrassing, we have a reputation for being one of the most proactive clubs within our community but some people only give a [Poor language removed] about themselves. [Poor language removed] off

Because you can want those things and feel that there's another way to achieve them mate. I personally don't see the Corbyn approach of "spend loads of money with reckless abandon in order to solve problems in the short term and let someone else deal with the consequences in 20 years time" as the right one. But I still want a fairer society. It's not a zero sum game.

The type of response to that mindset you've given there - which is "agree with Corbyn or do one because you're worse than Hitler" essentially - is the biggest problem of all. Respect opposing views, look beyond the surface and see if there's anything to be learned from them.

 

[Tubey]

Right wing MP's now telling Corbyn he's spent Passover with "the wrong type of Jew". That, ladies and gentlemen, is about as anti-Semitic as it gets.

Poor logic. Is criticising ISIS Islamophobic then?

And yes, that's an extreme comparison, but I simply don't know the Islamic equivalent of Jewdas, but the same logic applies. You can approve a perceived extreme element of a religion via association.

That said, I don't think it's a big deal really, but I also think it's totally unnecessary from Corbyn and yet another example of him making unforced errors in his general leadership.

 

[Moomin]

Poor logic. Is criticising ISIS Islamophobic then?

And yes, that's an extreme comparison, but I simply don't know the Islamic equivalent of Jewdas, but the same logic applies. You can approve a perceived extreme element of a religion via association.

That said, I don't think it's a big deal really, but I also think it's totally unnecessary from Corbyn and yet another example of him making unforced errors in his general leadership.

It was an event in his constituency, if he never turned up he would have got slated and called anti Sematic for boycotting passover.

 

[Tubey]

It was an event in his constituency, if he never turned up he would have got slated and called anti Sematic for boycotting passover.

Not really - you passover (ha) the event and organise one with a more acceptable organisation in its' stead. It's politics; sidestepping sticky situations like that is basics. For example, you can also argue that Jewdas have set that up to deliberately depict Labour as being against mainstream Jews, and Corbyn fell right into the trap. Avoiding it could have been positively spun in fact as it'd show an understanding of mainstream Jewish feeling if done correctly.

But I think Corbyn knew what he was doing here. He has form for it. But it's a minor issue in a much larger problem that Momentum/Corbyn have taken far too long to address.

For what it's worth, I don't think Corbyn is anti-semitic; but I do think that his indifference enables those that are within Momentum inparticular to thrive.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Let's face it though, he knew what he was doing there and it was a middle finger to his critics. Which, given all this needs is a softly softly common sense approach to solve, is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to do.

It's like saying you're not anti-Christian then meeting the Westboro Baptist Church to prove it.

I don't know what it is with Corbyn. He makes the easy things look hard - like open goals in PMQs and not making stupid mistakes on a daily basis - and the hard things look easy - like underdog general election campaigns.

Oh right its political affiliations within Jewish culture. And depending which Jewish group you spend time with, will either make you anti-Semite or not anti-Semite. Like I said, got it! And I see nothing wrong with Corbyn meeting a group of Jews at a Jewish religious festival in his own constituency. But I do see other Jewish groups refusing to meet him until he meets their political conditions and affiliations as being just obstructive .

 

[zzr45]

Oh right its political affiliations within Jewish culture. And depending which Jewish group you spend time with, will either make you anti-Semite or not anti-Semite. Like I said, got it! And I see nothing wrong with Corbyn meeting a group of Jews at a Jewish religious festival in his own constituency. But I do see other Jewish groups refusing to meet him until he meets their political conditions and affiliations as being just obstructive .

I think the problem is more that he’s not met the Jewish groups with wider concerns than the left wing group. Rather than engage with people with opinions that may differ from his own, he seems content to live in an echo chamber.

It’s another example of him making something even worse by not thinking of any implication it seems.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Oh. Thats a bit interesting

Lansman will be behind Jewdas attendance, pretty sure of that. And after all Lansman the child of Orthodox Jews is Momentum and the power close freind and ally of Jeremy Corbyn!

 

[dannyboy]

Right wing MP's now telling Corbyn he's spent Passover with "the wrong type of Jew". That, ladies and gentlemen, is about as anti-Semitic as it gets.

These people are absolutely shameless. Anglea Smith doesn't give a damn about anti semitism. The likes of her will stop at nothing to smear Corbyn, which completely undermines the fight to rid the party of people with these backwards beliefs.

I wish her, Woodcock and the rest of the opportunists would do one, but they won't because despite being cowards they're clever enough to know the Labour Party is their vehicle into Parliament, even though their beliefs are completely at odds with the membership. It really is a sorry situation, they'll sink to whatever level necessary to stop a Corbyn led Labour Party coming to power.

 

[hullefc]

Right wing MP's now telling Corbyn he's spent Passover with "the wrong type of Jew". That, ladies and gentlemen, is about as anti-Semitic as it gets.

That wont stop the Corbyn haters from passing judgement on Corbyn.

Oh right its political affiliations within Jewish culture. And depending which Jewish group you spend time with, will either make you anti-Semite or not anti-Semite. Like I said, got it! And I see nothing wrong with Corbyn meeting a group of Jews at a Jewish religious festival in his own constituency. But I do see other Jewish groups refusing to meet him until he meets their political conditions and affiliations as being just obstructive .

That is it in a nutshell. They want to keep the 'Corbyn and ant-semitism' in the headlines, so as to stop the Labour party condemning what the IDF are doing in Gaza. And how this is all lapped up by the Corbyn haters, who are in the forefront of attacking him and hope this leads to a coup against him as leader. 'In the interests of party unity' of course.

 

[magicjuan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43620717

Momentum now admit there’s a problem. All a smear campaign though

There is no new admission in that, at all.

 

[zzr45]

There is no new admission in that, at all.

He said the first task of the party's new general secretary, Jennie Formby, would be to appoint an in-house lawyer and ensure effective procedures were in place to deal with allegations of anti-Semitism.

A Jewish member of Labour's National Executive Committee, Rhea Wolfson, said she was "frustrated" at the pace of action to confront anti-Semitism.

But she welcomed the latest commitment.

That would seem to be a fairly broad admission. Not enough has been done. At some point you have to drop the tribalism and actually look at the facts.

 

[magicjuan]

Because you can want those things and feel that there's another way to achieve them mate. I personally don't see the Corbyn approach of "spend loads of money with reckless abandon in order to solve problems in the short term and let someone else deal with the consequences in 20 years time" as the right one. But I still want a fairer society. It's not a zero sum game.

The type of response to that mindset you've given there - which is "agree with Corbyn or do one because you're worse than Hitler" essentially - is the biggest problem of all. Respect opposing views, look beyond the surface and see if there's anything to be learned from them.

That's as skewed as a Kuennsberg report. Spending money in areas wbere it is needed as opposed to tax concessions, thereby helping a greater number of society, isn't lashing money about.
Your last bit tickles me pink with irony.

 

[magicjuan]

He said the first task of the party's new general secretary, Jennie Formby, would be to appoint an in-house lawyer and ensure effective procedures were in place to deal with allegations of anti-Semitism.

A Jewish member of Labour's National Executive Committee, Rhea Wolfson, said she was "frustrated" at the pace of action to confront anti-Semitism.

But she welcomed the latest commitment.

That would seem to be a fairly broad admission. Not enough has been done. At some point you have to drop the tribalism and actually look at the facts.

And everything in that has been said before. So, could it be possible this is a counter manoevre to allow the debate to shift onto local elections and not be dancing to the rights agenda?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Mate how is this even a thread on an everton fan forum. The majority of our fans are sound and then you have bell ends like this.
I don’t see the problem with wanting a fairer society for all, the happiest places in the world to live are all democratic socialist countries.
Some of our fans are [Poor language removed] embarrassing, we have a reputation for being one of the most proactive clubs within our community but some people only give a [Poor language removed] about themselves. [Poor language removed] off

Calm down

 

[peteblue]

Let's face it though, he knew what he was doing there and it was a middle finger to his critics. Which, given all this needs is a softly softly common sense approach to solve, is a mind-numbingly stupid thing to do.

It's like saying you're not anti-Christian then meeting the Westboro Baptist Church to prove it.

I don't know what it is with Corbyn. He makes the easy things look hard - like open goals in PMQs and not making stupid mistakes on a daily basis - and the hard things look easy - like underdog general election campaigns.

That’s because he’s shallow, not very bright and promises all things to all people. Well that’s what Nancy from Hartlepool said.......