How long did Moyes hold us back for ?

[Dymak]

After signing Heitinga in September 2009, Moyes went about two and a half years without signing a first team player for actual money, until he eventually signed Jelavic in January 2012. Many clubs would have plummeted under such circumstances, but Moyes did a good job in keeping us relatively competitive and away from danger during that period.

However he eventually started hiding behind an array of defeatist excuses that were used as a means of hiding his limitations, enhancing his own reputation, and eradicating any sort of expectation. Such expectation was considered 'impossible', a 'knife to a gun fight', if you like. Even if this was true, you just cannot be heard saying that in public. It was admitting defeat before a ball was even kicked, and you just can't have that in football. What message was it sending to his players, to the fans?

I think he was the right guy for Everton for a very long time. Bobby has yet to experience a fire sale of his best players, followed by a ban on paying money for new signings for a period of two and a half years. I think that is something that ANY manager would struggle to deal with, and that Moyes did an exceptional job for the vast majority of his time at Everton.

 

[Khalekan]

NO HE DID NOT YOU FOOL, he got us higher than we had been for a few years , that's all, not punching above our weight, that's implying we were a recently promoted football club from the lower leagues who had never played in the top flight, get some respect

Cor-rect.

For the umpteenth time.....every team aside from EFC, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Arsenal and United have played in the Championship at some stage this century.

Ergo all the teams we regularly finished in front off were playing catch up at some stage or other.

Yer Barcodes, yer Sunluns, yer Baggies et cetera.

We'll leave Citeh out the equation as their lottery win leapfrogged them over every other team.

Anyone who still buys into the hoary old Moyes era chestnut that Everton were "punching above their weight" needs to give their head a wobble.

Under Moyes, Everton were no better than they ought to have been.

The man is a rank average manager and IMO any competent coach would have "achieved" what he did in his time here.

In any previous era at Goodison during my time following this great club of ours he would have been out the door half a decade ago.

You saw before your very own eyes the mug Roberto made him look today.

Just like he made him look like a mug in the Cup tie last season.

Wee Davey Moyes is the luckiest manager in football history....he has earned a King's ransom in wages despite being of very limited ability.....and that, my friends, is due to Everton Football Club plucking him from obscurity and sticking with him even as he stunted our club's growth this past three or four years.

Don't believe me?

Just look at Seamus Coleman, Ross Barkley, Phil Jagielka or Kevin Mirallas and how those boys play now that an ideas man has charge of them.

 

[toffeepie1878]

ironic tho lads as David was always harping on about the grass not always greener on the other side when clubs were targeting our top players, now he is finding out the same for his own personal circumstance

 

[MaineEvertonian]

NO HE DID NOT YOU FOOL, he got us higher than we had been for a few years , that's all, not punching above our weight, that's implying we were a recently promoted football club from the lower leagues who had never played in the top flight, get some respect

How do you figure? With little budget he had us in Champs League and perennial Europe contenders. It's not a slight on Everton or Moyes. For the first 6-7 years of his tenure, we exceeded expectations. Is that not punching above your weight? Probably 3 years or so ago, he had taken the squad as far as he could.

 

[Ihaters]

Cor-rect.

For the umpteenth time.....every team aside from EFC, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Arsenal and United have played in the Championship at some stage this century.

Ergo all the teams we regularly finished in front off were playing catch up at some stage or other.

Yer Barcodes, yer Sunluns, yer Baggies et cetera.

We'll leave Citeh out the equation as their lottery win leapfrogged them over every other team.

Anyone who still buys into the hoary old Moyes era chestnut that Everton were "punching above their weight" needs to give their head a wobble.

Under Moyes, Everton were no better than they ought to have been.

The man is a rank average manager and IMO any competent coach would have "achieved" what he did in his time here.

In any previous era at Goodison during my time following this great club of ours he would have been out the door half a decade ago.

You saw before your very own eyes the mug Roberto made him look today.

Just like he made him look like a mug in the Cup tie last season.

Wee Davey Moyes is the luckiest manager in football history....he has earned a King's ransom in wages despite being of very limited ability.....and that, my friends, is due to Everton Football Club plucking him from obscurity and sticking with him even as he stunted our club's growth this past three or four years.

Don't believe me?

Just look at Seamus Coleman, Ross Barkley, Phil Jagielka or Kevin Mirallas and how those boys play now that an ideas man has charge of them.

So your argument is that he bought ace players, didn't get us relegated when managers that spent loads of money did for their clubs, and that somehow because another club played in a lower league at some point this century, its perfectly obvious that despite spending most of a decade scrabbling for the odd point to see us safe before he arrived, spending virtually no money, getting into 4th for the first time since the creation of the 'sky four', is in no way punching above our weight.

The equation is simple... Where we were when he took over, compared to where we were when he left, against what we spent compared to those around us = punching above our weight or not.. The answer is clearly a yes.

Its a weight set not in history, or the size of our fan base in a bygone era or anything like that, but purely a weight set by Kenwright's wallet and the quality of our squad when Moyes took over.
We had no money, one decent player and a relegation fighting squad. If you would expect 4th and regular European challenges from that under an average manager, fair enough.
Most without a blinkered hatred of the man, see a far more impressive rise in the clubs fortunes from the squad he took over.
Either way we're all glad Martinez is here now instead because he's not just a good manager, he's err... phenomenal.

 

[Ihaters]

ironic tho lads as David was always harping on about the grass not always greener on the other side when clubs were targeting our top players, now he is finding out the same for his own personal circumstance

Certainly is
Lol, good point, welcome to the Rodwell, Gosling, Jeffers experience...

 

[degsy]

Should he have gone in 2010, and did our lack of investment hide his lack of ability ?

The writing was on the wall for me after that Hibbert thing Vs Spurs one evening, when was that? 2006ish?

 

[SimonB]

He made a rod for his own back when he professed that he wouldn't spend money the club didn't have.

Unsackable with that attitude whilst BK owns the club.

 

[degsy]

So your argument is that he bought ace players, didn't get us relegated when managers that spent loads of money did for their clubs, and that somehow because another club played in a lower league at some point this century, its perfectly obvious that despite spending most of a decade scrabbling for the odd point to see us safe before he arrived, spending virtually no money, getting into 4th for the first time since the creation of the 'sky four', is in no way punching above our weight.

The equation is simple... Where we were when he took over, compared to where we were when he left, against what we spent compared to those around us = punching above our weight or not.. The answer is clearly a yes.

Its a weight set not in history, or the size of our fan base in a bygone era or anything like that, but purely a weight set by Kenwright's wallet and the quality of our squad when Moyes took over.
We had no money, one decent player and a relegation fighting squad. If you would expect 4th and regular European challenges from that under an average manager, fair enough.
Most without a blinkered hatred of the man, see a far more impressive rise in the clubs fortunes from the squad he took over.
Either way we're all glad Martinez is here now instead because he's not just a good manager, he's err... phenomenal.

Most of the players on show today for us were his, as the sky creeps never stopped telling us, the difference is he couldn't... or more like wouldn't get the best out of them, by letting them play to their full potential ( which they haven't reached yet )
If you STOP people improving you are holding them back

He was holding us back
QED

 

[Khalekan]

If you would expect 4th and regular European challenges from that under an average manager, fair enough.
Most without a blinkered hatred of the man, see a far more impressive rise in the clubs fortunes from the squad he took over.

I'll grant you one thing, Ihaters, you do have an uncanny devotion to the man even if it does come with a penchant for continually beating your head against a brick wall when practically everyone else has wised up, moved on and put the Moyes era well behind them.

Either way we're all glad Martinez is here now instead because he's not just a good manager, he's err... phenomenal.

That's more like it, pal.

 

[Ihaters]

I'll grant you one thing, Ihaters, you do have an uncanny devotion to the man even if it does come with a penchant for continually beating your head against a brick wall when practically everyone else has wised up, moved on and put the Moyes era well behind them.






That's more like it, pal.

As per usual, not my thread, you are aware that as per usual, you are posting about Moyes too i presume? Move on old bean, hes gone.

 

[sotnas]

Having Lukaku instead of Jelavic makes a hell of a difference. Let's see where can Martinez take us, next season, after having to find a decent striker...

Let's see how much can he take from his players in case he can't keep Lukaku or get an equally decent front man.

Moyes took us a long way from relegation candidates to european football challengers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's easy to say with hindsight isn't it? This season Moyes has suffered whilst Martinez has flourished therefore we can easily draw a conclusion. I suspect it's not as black and white as all that though.

 

[Zodiak2]

Moyes "We gave away two dreadful counter attack goals, a kick up the pitch"

Seems he's trying to make a cra p point here about our style of play yesterday, almost as if he's had his nose put out of joint by the plaudits for Martinez' changing our style.

And was Mirallas' goal a kick up the pitch? pretty sure it wasn't! We won the ball in midfield, broke fast with a couple of great incisive passes to set Mirallas away to score.

 

[Christiffa25]

Everton were re-born under Moyes and it's a shame that seems to have been forgotten. We had literally become relegation dodgers year after year. For fans who didn't live thru that period...think villa now, but for going on nearly 10yrs!

He changed all that and I'll be forever greatfull. Not to mention some of the fabulous players he brought here on ltd funds!

He banged his head against a wall several times with player sales and purchases and I truly think that got to him in the end. He wrongly changed his mindset that he couldn't go any further without bigger funding.

Some things are meant to be...I'm so glad we had moyes when we did but I'm now so glad we have bobby. He's a new generation manager. Can he take us forward where moyes couldn't? I believe so I really do....could he have done what moyes did 10yrs or so ago? I believe he couldn't of done so....

We couldn't of planned it any better ourselves. The fact it's all just dropped into place is very Everton!