HK critical of Moyes' six LC changes

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Agreed.

Which is why we'll never win anything with Moyes in charge.

Whatever Howard Kendalls later problems his team had a winning mentality.

Careful mate, you can be shot for speaking common sense like that on 'ere at times! ^^

You're right though. We could get to a cup final and be playing Burton Albion and still lose whilst General Surrender and his posse of mentally weak kittens are about.

It's why proper top class managers like Alex Ferguson are a world away from Moyes. You can have all the ability in the world scattered amongst the squad, but if you can't instil belief when it matters most then you won't win things.
 
Still don't really buy the fold under pressure though. Surely we were under more pressure aginst Liverpool, or United in the cup during the cup final run than we were against Leeds and we got past them.
In fact I would suggest the pressure was well and truly lifted for the Leeds game.

Against United we were expected to lose, so we had no pressure.

Against Leeds, the pressure was on because we were expected to win.

It's like when we beat Sunderland last year in the cup, which we thought would be a tough game but we won at a canter, but all it meant ultimately was that we'd get spanked by Liverpool in a game we went in as strong favourites for.

Basically you're viewing things the wrong way round. :P
 
Still don't really buy the fold under pressure though. Surely we were under more pressure aginst Liverpool, or United in the cup during the cup final run than we were against Leeds and we got past them.
In fact I would suggest the pressure was well and truly lifted for the Leeds game.

The weather was awful, the pitch was a mudbowl, we were expected to win and we were up against a lower league really up for it and getting physical while the ref was giving us no protection.

And we didn't play well, a lot of our players just didn't seem up for the challenge, they didn't want it as much as the Leeds players did.

Your elite big teams with a proper winning mentality would have found a way past that team.
 
You dont think leaving out the undisputed #1 GK, breaking up the CB partnership and leaving out your most attack minded player was a disruption? Making use of the likes of Gueye/Junior for Osman/Pienaar, fine. Put them in and see how it goes. Something you can put right by having Osman/Pienaar on the bench.

I don't blame Moyes for anything that happened prior to the 2nd goal.

The thing is, if you have a squad of players, all of whom are competing for a starting place, not only should they be capable of coming in and holding their own when called upon, but they should also make every effort to impress when the opportunity arises. Additionally, the fact they are getting less opportunities in the 1st place, for whatever reason that may be, fitness, form, or maybe even just the form of others ahead of them, means that these players need game time, because they are not getting it elsewhere.

On Tuesday, everyone, apart from Silva and Oviedo, has started at least 1 1st team game this season alone. They where all 1st team players. Everyone apart Silva had previous 1st team experience, given Oviedo made an appearance against Swansea, even if it was only brief.

For those reasons alone, Moyes was right to select those players, and well within his right to believe they could out perform a Championship side.

But things aren't always that straight forward, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

See, we could have started that game with fewer changes from the team that played so well against Swansea. 1 change that I'm sure virtually everyone would have made though is that of Naismith coming in, given he is clearly in and around the 1st team, but hasn't started as many since Mirrallas arrived. And it was Naismith's sloppy pass in a dangerous area that led directly to the goal. It was not Silva's fault at all. If Neville had played instead of Silva, who's to say it wouldn't have happened in the exact same way?

And there was nothing that having Howard in goal would have changed either.

What I do blame Moyes for is the ridiculous tactic of dragging everyone back for Corners and Freekicks... and in the case of the 2nd goal, to not even cover someone standing on the edge of the box?

Ridiculous. It just invites pressure upon pressure, and cause the box to be crowded too, which leads to the all too frequent deflected goals that we concede.

The other thing that bothered me was the snide remarks about Silva's performance.

There where 2 changes at half time. 1 of them needed to be made, and 1 of them made a difference. Pienaar for the totally ineffective and anonymous Gueye was important for multiple reasons. 1st, it gave us more creativity and someone to build play through. 2nd, it allowed Mirrallas to move out wide where he was (slightly) more effective and 3rd, it allowed Fellaini to move further forward, because in the centre he had been poor, and didn't support Silva, especially as a youngster and a debutant, which made Silva’s task much harder than it needed to be.

But in taking him off at half time, Silva wasn't allowed to try and put it right, try and impose himself more in the 2nd half. And then to follow that with the jibes about "some of the debutants did OK, some them didn't", is just outrageous. How is that supposed to help him?

At the end of the day though, the team that started SHOULD have been good enough to beat Leeds. But we where poor on the day, we had an off day, and Leeds took full advantage. It could have happened with our regular 1st 11, as has often been the case in the past with Everton.

Everyone has an off day from time to time, and usually with Everton, it's at the most unexpected or inconvenient of times.

Let's just hope this was ours, and that's all it was. Like West Brom.
 
Careful mate, you can be shot for speaking common sense like that on 'ere at times! ^^

You're right though. We could get to a cup final and be playing Burton Albion and still lose whilst General Surrender and his posse of mentally weak kittens are about.

It's why proper top class managers like Alex Ferguson are a world away from Moyes. You can have all the ability in the world scattered amongst the squad, but if you can't instil belief when it matters most then you won't win things.

Had to giggle at that. +rep.
 
He didn't say weak he said weakened. And it was. We were made vulnerable needlessly.

How; by playing 1 untried youngster, a new international signing and 2 younger players with more than enough premier league experience. That side was capable of playing in the PL; the fact that they showed no fight is what lost us that match.

If thats your opinion, then some moaning at Moyes for not bleeding youngsters throughout the season; because we may be made vulnerable needlessly
 
As a younger blue I can't help reading his column and thinking "what do you know?"

I've got a lot of respect for what he achieved in the 80's but all I remember him for are two abysmal spells, and carl tyler and Mitch Ward.

Also, having seen him before and after games I wonder when he's coherent enough to put this stuff together.

I'll probably get loads for this but I don't think he's in a position to comment on Moyes management in this era of the game.
Oh good god. I like Moyes, but he is a crawling maggot compared to Kendall!
I was there through the 80's & Kendall made us into the best team in the world. What more can anybody ask?
 
How; by playing 1 untried youngster, a new international signing and 2 younger players with more than enough premier league experience. That side was capable of playing in the PL; the fact that they showed no fight is what lost us that match.

If thats your opinion, then some moaning at Moyes for not bleeding youngsters throughout the season; because we may be made vulnerable needlessly

That's all well and good if we're home to Crawley Town, but Moyes needlessly tore apart the cohesion of the side that had us off to our best league start in years. One or two changes, sure, but six is a momentum-stopper and I don't care who you put in there. Especially at a tough place to win at like Elland Road. I'd have rather he made more changes for Southampton and started basically the same squad that tore Swansea apart.
 
Despite the fact I was too young to enjoy it so will I. I understand what he given the fella's of your era, I'm not Moyles biggest fan either BTW.

But he's not just criticising Moyes with that as most big sides have gone out in the league cup, one or two at Leeds (Man Utd), and this happens every year. If we played our strongest 11 every week then with any half decent cup runs and internationals some of our lads could play over 50 games a season. Only a fool would allow that with a club that coulod go from a chase for Europe to a relegation batlle with three or four injuries.
It's not just for those of us that witnessed it, it's for you too! If Everton had not had so much success in the 80's, I'd hate to think where we could have fallen to by now.
So I think you and every other Everton supporter owe HK eternal thanks and maximum respect.
Everton FC are still riding on HK's success, it's all we're known for.
As far as EFC goes, HK is the creator GOD.
 
Everton FC are still riding on HK's success, it's all we're known for.
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Absolutely, it's pretty f*cking embarassing seeing these "84-85" squad nights & dinners that come around frequently, why don't we bother our arse to create a bit of bloody history?
 
that team should have beaten leeds. It was mostly international players. We lost because we played cr@p, not because the players are cr@p. If naismith had stuck that header away we probably would have won, but he didn't and we didn't.

Tomorrow, I would bring back Jags to partner Distin, play Heitinga in midfield, push felli up with Jelavic and keep Miralles out on the right where he is more effective
 
He didn't say weak he said weakened. And it was. We were made vulnerable needlessly.

Correct. No matter how good the players, making wholesale changes weakens a winning side. By all means make wholesale changes to a losing side but don't mess around with a winning one....
 
You dont think leaving out the undisputed #1 GK, breaking up the CB partnership and leaving out your most attack minded player was a disruption? Making use of the likes of Gueye/Junior for Osman/Pienaar, fine. Put them in and see how it goes. Something you can put right by having Osman/Pienaar on the bench.

Uhh werent you slating Howard the other day?! Having a reserve keeper that never actually plays games is a dangerous thing. Im totally ok with all the changes he made- experience and giving games to fringe players
 
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