Current Affairs Have you had confirmed Covid-19?

[Bruce Wayne]

He spared no expense.

He'd have pulled it off as well if the dipladocus wasn't caught by the Germans as he got his arse stuck in Harry.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I think it is fair to say that there has been a lot of misdiagnosis and still is. I'm not sure a Dr in the UK would have considered Covid 19 if presented with a patient with flu like symptoms in December. Even if an elderly patient died of ARDS in December I am still not confident that it would not have been badged as flu/ARDS.

They clearly still haven't got a clear idea at this point who has IT and has had it beyond those seriously ill in hospital.

Oh, I agree with a lot of that on the diagnosis mate, although most people triaging patients barely need a swab test to confirm what their eyes are telling them. But, and I'm not an expert, so I may be talking out of my arse, the only way I can see that COVID was here in December / early January would be if that was a subtly, less infectious and less fatal strain than what we have now.

Flu cases, plus hospital cases, and deaths, peaked earlier in the year at much the time you'd expect over the winter. Amongst all the people that say stuff like "I was proper rough in December, maybe I had it ? " , I've yet to hear a rational explanation why something so infectious didn't take off at an exponential rate at that time, and it took till late Feb / early March for people to start filling up hospital beds in large numbers.

Once you get into mid-Feb, I think someone who had flu like symptoms may well have had it, and once you get to mid-March, if you've had flu like symptoms, then, more likely than not, it was COVID. But, if you had flu-like symptoms in December or January, then it's far, far more likely that you just had a dose of whatever flu was going around this winter.

 

[Goat]

Dont think many are saying "its the flu". No one sane or not a Trump supporter anyrate.

Its just that the symptoms seem to get wider each week, and as a result, plenty are remembering that they felt rough as a badgers a few months back; ergo, "have I had it?".

Like someone who was, or is, 98 survived it, but some 10, 20 and 30 year olds have perished. Sommet doesnt add up to a lot of folk.

Heres a crazy idea, maybe the people who had "it" a few months ago had the flu.

I honestly dont know a single person who didnt have some sort of cold, chest infection or a flu last winter, but I dont remember the last winter when everybody didnt have some sort of cold, chest infection or flu.

Maybe everybody did have it, but I tell you now, if they did, its mutated since then.

I dont know the date we started testing, but I do recall first came the positive tests, then came the deaths, if everybody had it in December, we would have had deaths before positive tests.

 

[Goat]

Oh, I agree with a lot of that on the diagnosis mate, although most people triaging patients barely need a swab test to confirm what their eyes are telling them. But, and I'm not an expert, so I may be talking out of my arse, the only way I can see that COVID was here in December / early January would be if that was a subtly, less infectious and less fatal strain than what we have now.

Flu cases, plus hospital cases, and deaths, peaked earlier in the year at much the time you'd expect over the winter. Amongst all the people that say stuff like "I was proper rough in December, maybe I had it ? " , I've yet to hear a rational explanation why something so infectious didn't take off at an exponential rate at that time, and it took till late Feb / early March for people to start filling up hospital beds in large numbers.

Once you get into mid-Feb, I think someone who had flu like symptoms may well have had it, and once you get to mid-March, if you've had flu like symptoms, then, more likely than not, it was COVID. But, if you had flu-like symptoms in December or January, then it's far, far more likely that you just had a dose of whatever flu was going around this winter.

The flu vaccine was also less effective this winter, so thats probably why so much of it was floating around.

 

[roydo]

Heres a crazy idea, maybe the people who had "it" a few months ago had the flu.

I honestly dont know a single person who didnt have some sort of cold, chest infection or a flu last winter, but I dont remember the last winter when everybody didnt have some sort of cold, chest infection or flu.

Maybe everybody did have it, but I tell you now, if they did, its mutated since then.

I dont know the date we started testing, but I do recall first came the positive tests, then came the deaths, if everybody had it in December, we would have had deaths before positive tests.

That is most likely, not flu, but a bug. But, an awful lot of folk said what they had didnt feel like a normal winter bug. Which like you say, we all get every year.

Keeps the internet spinning anyrate. Keep safe with the young'un.

 

[Walken]

He'd have pulled it off as well if the dipladocus wasn't caught by the Germans as he got his arse stuck in Harry.

Better than he pulled that scottish accent off

 

[Goat]

That is most likely, not flu, but a bug. But, an awful lot of folk said what they had didnt feel like a normal winter bug. Which like you say, we all get every year.

Keeps the internet spinning anyrate. Keep safe with the young'un.

My mate, hes not 1 to moan for no reason, he even came the game the day after he got the snip, he regretted it big time, ive never seen a man in so much pain, but he said he had a chest infection in December that utterly wiped him out for a week. Ive had what seems like a chest infection that just keeps coming and going, in normal times I could probably go the Doctors and get it shifted, but as you now these are not normal times.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Like someone who was, or is, 98 survived it, but some 10, 20 and 30 year olds have perished. Sommet doesnt add up to a lot of folk.

To be honest, anyone that doesn't understand that some young people die while old people survive should take a look at the fatality of all other diseases, which have almost identical outcomes.

Some, very few, people in their 20's have, out of nowhere, a heart attack and die, while some people in their 80's will survive a similar trauma.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Oh, I agree with a lot of that on the diagnosis mate, although most people triaging patients barely need a swab test to confirm what their eyes are telling them. But, and I'm not an expert, so I may be talking out of my arse, the only way I can see that COVID was here in December / early January would be if that was a subtly, less infectious and less fatal strain than what we have now.

Flu cases, plus hospital cases, and deaths, peaked earlier in the year at much the time you'd expect over the winter. Amongst all the people that say stuff like "I was proper rough in December, maybe I had it ? " , I've yet to hear a rational explanation why something so infectious didn't take off at an exponential rate at that time, and it took till late Feb / early March for people to start filling up hospital beds in large numbers.

Once you get into mid-Feb, I think someone who had flu like symptoms may well have had it, and once you get to mid-March, if you've had flu like symptoms, then, more likely than not, it was COVID. But, if you had flu-like symptoms in December or January, then it's far, far more likely that you just had a dose of whatever flu was going around this winter.

US scientists seem pretty confident it was only introduced into the US in Jan/Feb.

 

[dholliday]

This is not the flu.

April 2020 and people are still out there saying "its just the flu".

Who said it was the flu?

They clearly still haven't got a clear idea at this point who has IT and has had it beyond those seriously ill in hospital.

aye, this is the truth of it. We're still in the learning stages, a lot more new info will come out in the wash over the next few months and years.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Oh, I agree with a lot of that on the diagnosis mate, although most people triaging patients barely need a swab test to confirm what their eyes are telling them. But, and I'm not an expert, so I may be talking out of my arse, the only way I can see that COVID was here in December / early January would be if that was a subtly, less infectious and less fatal strain than what we have now.

Flu cases, plus hospital cases, and deaths, peaked earlier in the year at much the time you'd expect over the winter. Amongst all the people that say stuff like "I was proper rough in December, maybe I had it ? " , I've yet to hear a rational explanation why something so infectious didn't take off at an exponential rate at that time, and it took till late Feb / early March for people to start filling up hospital beds in large numbers.

Once you get into mid-Feb, I think someone who had flu like symptoms may well have had it, and once you get to mid-March, if you've had flu like symptoms, then, more likely than not, it was COVID. But, if you had flu-like symptoms in December or January, then it's far, far more likely that you just had a dose of whatever flu was going around this winter.

I get what you are saying mate and agree with you on the whole about the transmission. I just do not have confidence that we can confidentially identify who has it yet. I say that as I have had it and was initially sent home with paracetamol from my GP!

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I dont know the date we started testing, but I do recall first came the positive tests, then came the deaths, if everybody had it in December, we would have had deaths before positive tests.

I think the opinion (and I am not saying that I agree with it) is that people may have died from it before they were testing for it, and as such their death may have been put down to pneumonia or the like.

 

[dholliday]

New York state has 20 million residents. Seasonal flu mortality is ~0.1% in US so a similar mortality would be 20,000 deaths if the entire state’s population was infected - even in hard hit Italy it is only estimated that 10% of population is infected and herd immunity would be achieved well before 100% were infected.


New York state already has over 17,000 deaths and it is sadly still increasing. This is not the flu.

Also, Italy had almost 70,000 flu deaths between 2013-2017. One year alone was 25,000. They also did partial lockdowns, it was mostly the elderly who died.

The novel coronavirus isn't the flu, but once settled (i.e. vaccine program is in full flow) its statistics may be similar to heavy flu outbreaks different regions get from time to time.

 

[Goat]

I think the opinion (and I am not saying that I agree with it) is that people may have died from it before they were testing for it, and as such their death may have been put down to pneumonia or the like.

Yep, I suppose thats a line of thinking, but what first made everybody stand up and pay attention was the fact that this is nothing like pneumonia, its what made China start testing. Doctors know what pneumonia looks like and its not like they werent aware of something different floating around in early January.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Also, Italy had almost 70,000 flu deaths between 2013-2017. One year alone was 25,000. They also did partial lockdowns, it was mostly the elderly who died.

The novel coronavirus isn't the flu, but once settled (i.e. vaccine program is in full flow) its statistics may be similar to heavy flu outbreaks different regions get from time to time.

It may or may not, presumably will depend on effectiveness of the vaccine and on anti viral treatments for those that are still infected.

One of the worrying aspects of coronavirus isn’t just its fatality rate but the % of cases that require hospitalization, the length of that hospitalization before recovery and the organs the virus affects which irrc are all significantly more than for a seasonal flu patient.