Greek Financial Crisis

[marty mcfly]

The referendum gave Tsipras the winning hand to play. He had it in his hands. All aces. He folded because he hadn't prepared the ground for an alternative future. It's one of the most appalling acts of betrayal I can think of.

It played out the way a lot of cynics had predicted (not me, btw, I thought they'd default): a left party now willingly taken into the fold because it's the only political force out there that can administer what the enemies of democracy want - control over the Greek working class and a rolling back of the state and implementation of privatisation. In the end that is what the Syriza leadership's historical task has been on the face of it. We wait and see how far they get with that, but they have put the wheels in motion.

That's what people said about the last government and the one before that. If things don't improve and that will take Germany taking a huge hit, mostly political then another more hard line government will take Syriza's place.

 

[marty mcfly]

Err, lads, we're supposed to be taking the p out of @Lids1978 here, not me.

Anyway, back on topic'ish

Here's some pictures of Greece from last week

From our balcony for most of the time :-

Nissos Kalymnos coming into port early evening

and still on the balcony.
Chapels at sunset

. and, for @DualityNSNO a couple of pics looking down on Agia Marina in Leros from the castle above Platanos

If you are going to be poor there's not many better places to be poor.

 

[marty mcfly]

What's going to be really interesting is when the UK votes "Out" which is what I think will happen.

I don't however think we will be allowed out. That's the point were people might realize what is going on.

 

[magicjuan]

It's a shame the EU ruling party (Christian Democratic Union of Germany) doesn't.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Europes-Full-Circle-Corporate-Fascism/dp/0952511037

 

[The Esk]

If you are going to be poor there's not many better places to be poor.

There are no good places to be poor. Poverty denies opportunity.

 

[The Cowboy]

There are no good places to be poor. Poverty denies opportunity.

Didn't I read earlier in this thread that many Greek folk are turning back to self-sustaining lifestyles? Doubt folk in Detroit have that option.

 

[orchard]

Didn't I read earlier in this thread that many Greek folk are turning back to self-sustaining lifestyles? Doubt folk in Detroit have that option.

You may, however:

https://www.guernicamag.com/features/food_among_the_ruins/

 

[Joey66]

What's going to be really interesting is when the UK votes "Out" which is what I think will happen.

I don't however think we will be allowed out. That's the point were people might realize what is going on.

Spot on wait til its gets near to the vote the proaganda to saty in will be so biased it was the last time - i warn you you will be lied too!

 

[magicjuan]

Didn't I read earlier in this thread that many Greek folk are turning back to self-sustaining lifestyles? Doubt folk in Detroit have that option.

You'd be surprised, there are farming initiatives using the gardens of houses that lie empty. Once it hit rock bottom the communities had no choice to pull together, in adversity lies hope, as some say.

Detroit has some amazing community activities desperately trying to pull people together.

 

[hullefc]

You'd be surprised, there are farming initiatives using the gardens of houses that lie empty. Once it hit rock bottom the communities had no choice to pull together, in adversity lies hope, as some say.

Detroit has some amazing community activities desperately trying to pull people together.

Argentinians tried a barter system in 2002 and 2009.

Argentina: The Post-Money Economy - TIME

Barter clubs expose Argentina's weakness - CNN.com

People become very resourceful when the going gets tough.

 

[wm02]

You'd be surprised, there are farming initiatives using the gardens of houses that lie empty. Once it hit rock bottom the communities had no choice to pull together, in adversity lies hope, as some say.

Detroit has some amazing community activities desperately trying to pull people together.

Aye. There was an interesting article I read (I believe in Intelligent Life) where they covered this transition from urban blight and shuttered homes to recovered, cooperative farmland. Very inspiring and a solution to the food deserts within many urban areas.

 

[hullefc]

Aye. There was an interesting article I read (I believe in Intelligent Life) where they covered this transition from urban blight and shuttered homes to recovered, cooperative farmland. Very inspiring and a solution to the food deserts within many urban areas.

Isn't it a quarter of Detroit City they are trying to cultivate?

 

[wm02]

Isn't it a quarter of Detroit City they are trying to cultivate?

Not sure of the exact percentage but that sounds about right

 

[Woolly Blue]

Might be going to Greece in October, is stuff gonna be more expensive now?

It'll be a bit more expensive mate, but, unless you were on a very tight budget, you probably won't notice.

It's the poor in the country that it'll hit most. As tourists who've paid, directly or indirectly, circa £200 for a flight to get there, we're relatively rich and the odd 20 cents here and there isn't going to be that noticeable.

 

[The Cowboy]

You'd be surprised, there are farming initiatives using the gardens of houses that lie empty. Once it hit rock bottom the communities had no choice to pull together, in adversity lies hope, as some say.

Detroit has some amazing community activities desperately trying to pull people together.

Fair enough, wasn't trying to be down on Detroit, just alluding to the idea that the weather in Greece is good for a self-sufficient lifestyle.