Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[dandydan]

Yep, in the midst of a nationwide protest against systemic racism.

Why no word about all the other black men murdered daily?

 

[LinekersLegs]

No words.

In reality there going to be a few legal issues but quite striking the different approach to how he handled the Charlottesville protests and the death of Heather Heyer.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Theres a tweet for everything.

The Anti Fascists a terrorist organisation...well there you go.

 

[peteblue]

And they get to wear masks, no question.....

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Is ANTIFA the group that causes bother in the UK?

If so sadly they have an unsavoury element to their faction just as much as the far right groups.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Anyone see the video of the oldish guy turning up with a machete to a protest, shouting ‘all lives matter’, pulling out and firing a crossbow then getting the crap beat out of him only to then lie on TV and say he was pulled out his car by two black guys

 

[tsubaki]

Genuinely moved by that. A very powerful image.

Indeed, and it really illustrates one of Sir Robert Peel's maxims when he set up the Met in 1829 - the police are the public, and the public are the police.

In fact if the US wants to save itself months / years of acrominious debate over policing reform, then they could just borrow the nine principles and say they'll do that

1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary, of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

 

[tsubaki]

Is ANTIFA the group that causes bother in the UK?

If so sadly they have an unsavoury element to their faction just as much as the far right groups.

it isn't, and they don't

 

[neil999]

Is ANTIFA the group that causes bother in the UK?

If so sadly they have an unsavoury element to their faction just as much as the far right groups.

It isn't even an organisation so not sure how you can ban it and come one mate how many people has 'antifa' killed?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

it isn't, and they don't

Who are the ones who do counter demos against the likes of the EDL and UKIP/Farage?

As that group certainly do have troublemakers amongst their group.

Doesnt matter what message you have if its done in a violent/aggressive manner then you're just as bad as those who you are speaking out against imo.

 

[tsubaki]

Who are the ones who do counter demos against the likes of the EDL and UKIP/Farage?

As that group certainly do have troublemakers amongst their group.

Doesnt matter what message you have if its done in a violent/aggressive manner then you're just as bad as those who you are targetting.

Its various groups who counter the EDL, and to say they are "just as bad" as them is wrong - for a start, they aren't nazis.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Its various groups who counter the EDL, and to say they are "just as bad" as them is wrong - for a start, they aren't nazis.

One persons terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

No matter what your political beliefs are violence is and should never be the answer. if you have to resort to that to get your opinions across then ultimately there is little difference.

 

[tsubaki]

One persons terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

No matter what your political beliefs are violence is and should never be the answer. if you have to resort to that to get your opinions across then ultimately there is little difference.

I agree with the bold bit here, but what do you do if people do resort to it, to victimize others and try to drive them out of a society - apart from fight back?

 

[peteblue]

Why no word about all the other black men murdered daily?

White Policemen didn’t kill them I imagine.....