Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest
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Yep. He was a hero that year.Hoogerland afterwards. Tough buggers
I recall having a back and forth with a few folks here about bias in police shootings and the article below, which was used by some to say that there is no racial bias in police shootings. Now the original article below by Johnson et al. in PNAS has been formally retracted by authors, noting that indeed their study was flawed and cannot speak to the very topic--racial bias in police shootings--that they chose to investigate.
Hoogerland afterwards. Tough buggers
Fancy some gammon and pineapple for tea now
Tir Eoghain Blue
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The Past is Never Past: Collusion in Northern Ireland
Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn The past is never dead. It’s not even
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Zero convictions. However I challenge anyone to order the book and read it, if interested in the topic. Also Lethal Allies was written with limited access to official government documents.
The Past is Never Past: Collusion in Northern Ireland
Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be maintained by violence. -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn The past is never dead. It’s not even
Zero convictions. However I challenge anyone to order the book and read it, if interested in the topic. Also Lethal Allies was written with limited access to official government documents.
oh mate I’ve no argument you can read a load of books including the ones you’ve mentioned and Say dirty War but surely you can see the contradiction. You’re arguing contradictory points , that the legal system is the ultimate arbiter and then because it doesn’t suit it’s better to trust ones reading materials .
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Two completely different worlds mate. If a police officer in the USA is involved in a completely unjustified deadly use of force incident, they are taken into custody and charged accordingly. Michael Slager was guilty of a cold blooded murder and was sentenced to 20 Yrs in prison.
Jacob Blake was a known felon with a lengthy criminal record and serious active warrants. It was his own girlfriend/ex girlfriend who called 911 and requested a police response. Maybe the cops should have ignored the call and not responded. Maybe Blake should have worried about the three kids in the vehicle and took them home and made them a priority.
After tussling with the police and ignoring all verbal commands tased etc, both rookie cops let down their partner by letting him get to his feet and return to his vehicle. The experienced officer stayed with Blake and tried to prevent him reaching the vehicle. He was not left with many alternatives and probably feared for his life before firing. This all occurred in split seconds. What would you do?
I will attach a link to a recent shooting in Pa that I would like to get your viewpoint. I also notice a trend of personal attacks and snide little statements directed toward me. Feel free to read all of my prior posts and point out where I am reasonable or resort to petty name calling.
Tir Eoghain Blue
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I understand where it appears contradictory in nature. However I was sharing my background to show a level of balance. If a cop here in the US is guilty of an excessive use of force that is clear and unambiguous, I will totally agree and they should be held fully responsible.
I am looking at these recent events individually, and out of my knowledge of use of force. Use of Force Is determined by a department police, state case law and ultimate US Supreme Court Precedent. I appreciate the nature of your post and at least you come across as a very reasonable fella. Hopefully we can sign a world class striker, so that I can get back to the footy lol
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Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker calls up the National Guard because... uhhhh... just because.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mas...1000-national-guard-members/story?id=72700660
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mas...1000-national-guard-members/story?id=72700660
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Maybe they should've attempted to de-escalate the situation rather than shoot an unarmed man seven times in the back.
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I think the criticism you get is entirely well founded, and why you get criticised is really well encapsulated by this particular post.
For a start, there are the weasel words about how if a cop in the USA is involved in "a completely unjustified deadly use of force incident they are taken into custody and charged accordingly". The key bits there being "completely unjustified", which is of course is a proviso to ensure that only the things you deem completely unjustified count, and then "taken into custody and charged accordingly", which implies seriously but often isn't - Philando Castile's killer got charged (with second degree manslaughter) but not convicted, Oscar Grant's killer got convicted of involuntary manslaughter, Justine Damond's killer got convicted of third degree murder (for shooting someone who'd called police, who was unarmed and in her PJs).
Slager (who you cite) is actually one of the exceptions to the rule, being one of a handful of officers in the entire US to be convicted of murder following one of these shootings. It is kind of bizarre that you cite him though as what he did is broadly similar to what happened in the Blake case - cops struggle with suspect, the suspect gets away, then suspect gets shot in the back. Yet according to you one is "cold blooded murder" and the other is fine?
The cherry on top though is you posting that youtube video, which is nothing to do with either incident and instead shows cops behaving appropriately and heroically when faced with extreme threat.
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Justine Damond’s death was terrible as you stated and the officer was completely wrong and at fault. Atatiana Jefferson’s death in Texas was terrible and the involved officer should serve a significant sentence in that case.
The YouTube video is an example of what can happen when a suspect re enters a vehicle after a physical altercation with police. So yes there is an obvious connection with the Blake case
The YouTube video is an example of what can happen when a suspect re enters a vehicle after a physical altercation with police. So yes there is an obvious connection with the Blake case
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I've been trying to ignore your posts, to the point where I skim through them so I can't respond.
You've come across incredibly arrogant, and almost willfully or intentionally ignorant in other regards.
Your first paragraph, about two different worlds and how police officers in the US are taken into custody and charged. Now do you just leave it there so it fits your narrative or do you not know what actually happens? They rarely are convicted, and they are essentially given immunity in civil court and we all end up paying for their aggressive horrible behavior. I don't understand why a cop should be protected from the consequences of their own reckless use of force. If anything, it has allowed for it to become pervasive.
Secondly, what the hell is wrong with people like you who go onto these characterizations of the victims of police brutality? Honestly, brutality doesn't even do it justice as to just how bad this case was. I'll get to that momentarily.
It's just like George Floyd. Listing off his previous arrests. He was a known felon, with warrants, ok. You go on and talk about how he should have just gotten in his car, made his kids a priority, ok. The guy is definitely not a hero, however, he doesn't have to be a hero. He doesn't even have to be a completely law abiding citizen. He can have warrants, the knife, that is still under investigation.
Even if he did have a knife... None of this, none of all that irrelevant crap you posted. Which I would say reflects on you, and makes me wonder what the hell exactly is going through your head. None of it, not one piece of that information justifies, or explains away as to why he was shot 7 times. 7 TIMES. Let alone the fact it was in the back from point blank range.
You're just unequivocally wrong.
I've been trying to ignore your posts, to the point where I skim through them so I can't respond.
You've come across incredibly arrogant, and almost willfully or intentionally ignorant in other regards.
Your first paragraph, about two different worlds and how police officers in the US are taken into custody and charged. Now do you just leave it there so it fits your narrative or do you not know what actually happens? They rarely are convicted, and they are essentially given immunity in civil court and we all end up paying for their aggressive horrible behavior. I don't understand why a cop should be protected from the consequences of their own reckless use of force. If anything, it has allowed for it to become pervasive.
Secondly, what the hell is wrong with people like you who go onto these characterizations of the victims of police brutality? Honestly, brutality doesn't even do it justice as to just how bad this case was. I'll get to that momentarily.
It's just like George Floyd. Listing off his previous arrests. He was a known felon, with warrants, ok. You go on and talk about how he should have just gotten in his car, made his kids a priority, ok. The guy is definitely not a hero, however, he doesn't have to be a hero. He doesn't even have to be a completely law abiding citizen. He can have warrants, the knife, that is still under investigation.
Even if he did have a knife... None of this, none of all that irrelevant crap you posted. Which I would say reflects on you, and makes me wonder what the hell exactly is going through your head. None of it, not one piece of that information justifies, or explains away as to why he was shot 7 times. 7 TIMES. Let alone the fact it was in the back from point blank range.
You're just unequivocally wrong.
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