Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[PhilM]

TBF this situation (the riots, the murders) are pretty much down to the police getting insufficient training and entirely the wrong sort of equipment.

They've militarised in a big way, as you can see in a lot of the footage - scary helmets, "tactical" padding, various ranged weapons, big sticks, military surplus armoured vehicles etc. Despite all this you see a lot of those cops without shields, never mind proper gloves, flame-retardant overalls, identifying markers etc.

Sending in the National Guard is as mindless as they come as well: they're part time soldiers partly trained in civil-disorder training, soldiers being the big part.

While the reasons for doing so many have been well intentioned, it's like how the army were sent into NI and expected to keep the peace in an urban setting.

Regardless of whatever side of the debate people were on, let's be honest it didn't end well for either party. I feel exactly the same about the NG deployment.

Sending troops in, who are in the mainstay trained for combat, and expecting them to act peacefully is like taking a raging pit-bull to a child's party.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Black American friend from another forum I post

“The West has been exploiting Africa and her diaspora for over 500 years. Floyd's death is nothing new in America. The only difference is more and more white people getting angry about it.

Cop with his knee on the neck should get the electric chair on national fckn television. He should burn in hell. Hope I'm being clear.

Other cops in vicinity should get life in jail. The only way to stop this is if cops feel they will be killed too and not just get paid vacation.

I have no problem with the riots, I have no problem with burning the police station to the ground, I have no problem with looting.

America has been looting black people for hundreds of years and no one bats an eye. One little police station burns down and everyone loses their minds.

White people last month stormed government buildings armed with military guns so they can get the fckn malls reopened and there was no violence. How can white people get away with that while black people can barely go outside without having a ten step plan to avoid getting murdered?

We've been peacefully protesting for centuries. It doesn't fckn work. Sometimes, in order to get justice, you must burn the whole fckn thing to the ground.”

those f words were full there as it is free to use it, but I edited.

Perhaps a culture whereby every problem is best solved by killing the other person is half the problem? While there is racism in Europe, without a doubt, it doesn't seem to have the sordid history seen in America.

 

[Yarrgh]

Loot responsibly.

 

[roydo]

Perhaps a culture whereby every problem is best solved by killing the other person is half the problem? While there is racism in Europe, without a doubt, it doesn't seem to have the sordid history seen in America.

Without wanting to dwell too long on the subject, I think the "difference" between the UK and the US is that whilst the UK had a shameful slave trade, we didnt have slavery, as such. Unlike the southern US states.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Sending in the National Guard is as mindless as they come as well: they're part time soldiers partly trained in civil-disorder training, soldiers being the big part.

While the reasons for doing so many have been well intentioned, it's like how the army were sent into NI and expected to keep the peace in an urban setting.

Regardless of whatever side of the debate people were on, let's be honest it didn't end well for either party. I feel exactly the same about the NG deployment.

Sending troops in, who are in the mainstay trained for combat, and expecting them to act peacefully is like taking a raging pit-bull to a child's party.

I was hoping the NG rules of engagement would be stricter, seen many ex military say it was when deployed in urban settings abroad.

However this does not seem to be the case.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Without wanting to dwell too long on the subject, I think the "difference" between the UK and the US is that whilst the UK had a shameful slave trade, we didnt have slavery, as such. Unlike the southern US states.

More commenting on the culture that sees gun ownership as cool, the death penalty as a great thing, and incarceration for any old thing as a good use of resources. There are beliefs that underpin each of these, and it seems hard to make much progress while all of those exist.

For the avoidance of doubt, I think the way not only the police but most officials with a degree of law enforcement power in America behave is all kinds of wrong. You sense it the moment you hit customs. The country has gone very wrong.

 

[LinekersLegs]

TBF this situation (the riots, the murders) are pretty much down to the police getting insufficient training and entirely the wrong sort of equipment.

They've militarised in a big way, as you can see in a lot of the footage - scary helmets, "tactical" padding, various ranged weapons, big sticks, military surplus armoured vehicles etc. Despite all this you see a lot of those cops without shields, never mind proper gloves, flame-retardant overalls, identifying markers etc.

I don’t think it is just down to training/equipment although that certainly does play a part.

Lack of legal consequences for actions and culture also have a huge impact.

 

[Tea_drinker]

I was hoping the NG rules of engagement would be stricter, seen many ex military say it was when deployed in urban settings abroad.

However this does not seem to be the case.

Videos like that make me furious. They're just uniformed thugs.

 

[tsubaki]

Perhaps a culture whereby every problem is best solved by killing the other person is half the problem? While there is racism in Europe, without a doubt, it doesn't seem to have the sordid history seen in America.

TBF very few places have been both settler states and slave states. I can't think of another one that has been both and which has the same sort of people are still in charge.

At least over here, where we (UK and Europe) do have a history of involvement in slavery, the poor were treated as badly (or at least as badly so as modern people wouldn't be able to tell the difference) as the enslaved.

 

[Goat]

 

[peteblue]

I was hoping the NG rules of engagement would be stricter, seen many ex military say it was when deployed in urban settings abroad.

However this does not seem to be the case.

That video is proper scary......

 

[LinekersLegs]

RIP

 

[Prevenger17]

RIP

Utterly tragic.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[dandydan]

I am directly playing the ball when I say that you lack the intelligence to post something substantive. By posting out of context tweets, you metaphorically brought a tennis ball to a football game--that speaks to dumbness. You have posted from known anti-semitic twitter accounts. I view racism/anti-semitism as rooted in a lack of intelligence. Maybe see this:

Right-Wing Conspiracists Pull From Old Playbook: Blame George Soros For Riots

Minnesota officials cited white nationalist groups promoting violence, despite right-wing conservatives who argue Soros is to blame for the protests.

www.forbes.com

You trust the media yet question anybody's intelligence. lollollol