Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

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On Sunday afternoon, a veto-proof majority of Minneapolis City Council members will announce their commitment to disbanding the city’s embattled police department, which has endured relentless criticism in the wake of the police killing of George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, on May 25.

“We’re here because we hear you. We are here today because George Floyd was killed by the Minneapolis Police. We are here because here in Minneapolis and in cities across the United States it is clear that our existing system of policing and public safety is not keeping our communities safe,” Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender said Sunday. “Our efforts at incremental reform have failed. Period.”

https://theappeal.org/minneapolis-c...invest-in-proven-community-led-public-safety/
 
Debunkology said:
Please explain how black people being over represented in crime does not correlate to being over represented in victims of police force.
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I already explained this to you. It is the death that matters not the background rate of being arrested. If 10 white people were arrested, and 100000000 black people were arrested, we are looking at the risk of dying during arrest because you are black versus risk of dying during arrest because you are white. The literature is clear on this. And you claimed to have read it.

Debunkology said:
Ok. Since you mention the western world. Let's bring this back home to the UK.
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The USA is part of the western world, which is what this thread is about.

Debunkology said:
White people in the UK are 25% more likely to die in police custody than Black people.
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I'm not up on UK crime statistics...would need a peer reviewed source on this, not a Candace Owens video.

Debunkology said:
No, they happen because every time a black person is murdered by cop, it's plastered all over your tv screens. Everytime a white person is murdered by cop, no one knows about it. Which is bizzare because white people die in far greater numbers than black people by cop.

Anyone would think there was an agenda called identity politics at play. Which has divided the left. And has the left focusing on race rather than class.
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"...plastered all over your tv screens."--you may be right, but I can't find data to support your claim. But there is likely good reason why you might find disproportionate coverage of "death in custody" cases for non-whites in the media, and this is usually due to a recognition among good-faith journalists of the systematic and structural racism that is inherent in the UK justice system (something I'm sure you don't believe in). For example, from the chapter entitled "Ethnicities, Racism, and Crime in England and Wales" (from the Oxford Handbook of Crime, Ethnicity, and Immigration), we learn that:

"Ethnicity and racism feature at each stage of the criminal justice process in the United Kingdom. Some minority ethnic group people are more likely to be victimized, are more likely to be stopped and searched by the police, and are more likely to be arrested. The cumulative effect of disproportionate treatment of black people throughout the criminal justice process is reflected in high numbers of black people in prison. Patterns of crime vary among minority ethnic groups and between them and the white majority, but not in ways that adequately explain imprisonment patterns. Research findings indicate that racism is levelled towards ethnic minority groups and explain ways in which discrimination occurs. Explanations for variations in group patterns of offending and criminal justice system involvement need to take account of differences between black and Asian groups in experiences at each stage of the criminal justice process, and in the migratory contexts within which minority ethnic groups have settled in Britain. These issues have been complicated by the effects of contemporary concerns about terrorism and counter-terrorism—a contemporary insecurity that affects minority ethnic groups to a disproportionate degree."

Debunkology said:
Yes on tv. Now search for the white men and kids killed by American police. That you don't see on TV.
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The Guardian maintains a database of all individuals killed by police (in the USA), which certainly gives plenty of coverage to all ethnicities. Click here. As to extended coverage on TV, you might just want to stop watching so much nonsense/tabloid TV.


Debunkology said:
I disagree with the bold. Unless you can show me legislation that discriminates against Black people.
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This is an amazing statement even by your standards of non-scrutiny. Jim Crow laws were only overturned in the 1950s. There is something called social inertia, whereby racist laws are overturned but the racism continues despite the change in legislation (see any Trump rally, particularly the parking lot before/after). This is what Prev was talking about in term of unfinished progress. But more generally, and for brevity sake, do you really think "the law" is what prevents or encourages racism--this is quite naive--as in astoundingly naive.


Debunkology said:
Thankfully, There are plenty of black people in the USA going against this narrative and know that they are not the victims. Yet middle class White people love to tell them that they are.
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"Plenty of black people going against this narrative"...Are you talking absolute or proportional numbers?--forget it, it doesn't matter. Those chuckleheads, the Hodge twins that you posted came out as Trump supporters after gaining a substantial following among African Americans. After that, they lost thousands of black followers, and they even said: “Our shows used to bring in a good mix — black, white, Hispanic — but now, it looks like a Bruce Springsteen concert.” Same goes for Candace Owens--every time she tweets, she gets ratioed by the black community. To be clear, everyone, no matter their skin color, can believe what they want--even black people can support our racist president--but if you are like the Hodge twins or Owens, the common denominator that unites them isn't a black struggle but a struggle to make as much green as possible.

But it isn't the middle class white people telling black people they are victims--their lived experiences tells them that due to the following things that are listed below. This is a quote from myself in responding to your post, that you conveniently ignored:

"Other major factors are the legacy of slavery, the legacy of Jim Crow laws, stereotype threat, redlining, and liquorlining. This leads to something called cumulative disadvantage (this is not a phrase, but a body of theory), which both leads to more crime as well as more harsh sentencing, as well as reduced health and reduced opportunities for loans/upward mobility, etc."

Also, did you ever get back to Prev on what your definition of "black culture" is? Just wondering.
 
arminisgod said:
Grew up in a single parent family with 2 sisters. Mum had a minimum wage job, lived in a council house and had to put £1 coins in the tv

Yeah... White privilege
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arminisgod said:
What privilege was I afforded then?
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White privilege doesnt mean that your life hasnt been hard, it means that its not been made harder by the colour of your skin.
 
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