Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

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RAFUH said:
Nothing good can come from this.

I had hope that folks would wake up but not seeing it. We are soon to be a Christofacist country.

Unrelated but anyone have a shortage of pharmacists in their countries?

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Do the democrats regret buddying up with the Magas and voting along lines to oust McCarthy?
 
RAFUH said:
Nothing good can come from this.

I had hope that folks would wake up but not seeing it. We are soon to be a Christofacist country.

Unrelated but anyone have a shortage of pharmacists in their countries?

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The good news is you have a year to plan your exit strategy. Johnson's crown will rest very uneasily on his head.

The bad news is that the Senate map does not favor the Democrats in 2024. Manchin, Tester and Brown are looking at probably their toughest fights to retain their seats, and God only knows what happens with Sinema's seat unless she decides to step down.

If I were calling strategy for the Democrats, I would run Aguilar for the presidency. His voting record is right of Biden's, he's an effective public speaker, he's an actual legislator, he's untainted by scandal and he's young. The problem is that there are a lot of people with more name recognition in the party that would want to screw that up, but they might be willing to be reasonable given the absolute political necessity of retaining the presidency right now.
 
Martin Alvito said:
The good news is you have a year to plan your exit strategy. Johnson's crown will rest very uneasily on his head.

The bad news is that the Senate map does not favor the Democrats in 2024. Manchin, Tester and Brown are looking at probably their toughest fights to retain their seats, and God only knows what happens with Sinema's seat unless she decides to step down.

If I were calling strategy for the Democrats, I would run Aguilar for the presidency. His voting record is right of Biden's, he's an effective public speaker, he's an actual legislator, he's untainted by scandal and he's young. The problem is that there are a lot of people with more name recognition in the party that would want to screw that up, but they might be willing to be reasonable given the absolute political necessity of retaining the presidency right now.
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In your opinion, how do you see the state of things in a year and a couple of weeks from now?
 
I used to think society continually moves forward and the far right fundamentalists end up looking silly and dated. Since brexit, trump and roe vs wade I feel for the first time we are moving backwards.

I wonder if this was the inevitable conclusion for capitalism, the endless search for growth and wealth eventually separating us from science and society until we eat ourselves.
 
Walken said:
I used to think society continually moves forward and the far right fundamentalists end up looking silly and dated. Since brexit, trump and roe vs wade I feel for the first time we are moving backwards.

I wonder if this was the inevitable conclusion for capitalism, the endless search for growth and wealth eventually separating us from science and society until we eat ourselves.
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I mentioned homelessness a while back and it's effect on then being able to be registered to vote. It seems great swathes of the population have been cast into the gutter in the US and then been forgotten. Someone will eventually make an effort to mobilise this mass of voters and seek to or at least promise 'change'. Depending how hungry that number are will help decide just who they'll be inclined to get behind. What could be the tinderbox for civil war in the US do you reckon?
 
carolinablue232 said:
Do the democrats regret buddying up with the Magas and voting along lines to oust McCarthy?
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Bohemian Toffee said:
In your opinion, how do you see the state of things in a year and a couple of weeks from now?
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Related questions. I don't have enough information to tell you anything about what will happen with a shutdown. If I had to guess, the concession Johnson made to gain the chair was that while he would posture, he would not let the proceedings reach a shutdown. I have no idea what he may or may not have agreed to with respect to Ukraine.

Whether the Democrats regret the decision will depend on how badly they get hurt on policy, versus how much they think they gained from the chaos the next time ballots are cast. I think Jeffries continues to think his hand is relatively strong on policy negotiations, given the fractured state of the Republican conference and the fact that his party holds the Senate and the presidency.

I don't think we can say much about a year from now until far more plays out. The Senate map looks likely to flip, because the ground continues shifting under the feet of a few Democratic incumbents. Any House majority will be razor-thin, but your guess is as good as mine as to who gets it. The Democrats are running out of time to put someone other than Biden into play, but it has to be a question that is being asked behind closed doors.
 
Rita_Poon said:
I mentioned homelessness a while back and it's effect on then being able to be registered to vote. It seems great swathes of the population have been cast into the gutter in the US and then been forgotten. Someone will eventually make an effort to mobilise this mass of voters and seek to or at least promise 'change'. Depending how hungry that number are will help decide just who they'll be inclined to get behind. What could be the tinderbox for civil war in the US do you reckon?
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The first suggestion in here on how to do with this latest lurch to the right is for the Dems to move right of Biden, its a depressing situation.

But if we vote for these right wing monsters long enough it will be a battle for survival and democracy won't mean all that much anymore. I just pray I haven't accidently fathered any offspring in the meantime as I would consider it an act of extreme cruelty
 
Martin Alvito said:
The good news is you have a year to plan your exit strategy. Johnson's crown will rest very uneasily on his head.

The bad news is that the Senate map does not favor the Democrats in 2024. Manchin, Tester and Brown are looking at probably their toughest fights to retain their seats, and God only knows what happens with Sinema's seat unless she decides to step down.

If I were calling strategy for the Democrats, I would run Aguilar for the presidency. His voting record is right of Biden's, he's an effective public speaker, he's an actual legislator, he's untainted by scandal and he's young. The problem is that there are a lot of people with more name recognition in the party that would want to screw that up, but they might be willing to be reasonable given the absolute political necessity of retaining the presidency right now.
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Manchin is as close to royalty as there is in West Virginia.

He will not lose.

As for the Aguilar shout, I think it's too late for an unknown to have stepped in for Biden. I think we are stuck with him and playing out 2020 all over again
 
Rita_Poon said:
I mentioned homelessness a while back and it's effect on then being able to be registered to vote. It seems great swathes of the population have been cast into the gutter in the US and then been forgotten. Someone will eventually make an effort to mobilise this mass of voters and seek to or at least promise 'change'. Depending how hungry that number are will help decide just who they'll be inclined to get behind. What could be the tinderbox for civil war in the US do you reckon?
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That's hard due to the geography. I have said many times that if the political divide were North-South rather than urban-rural, we would be looking at secession or having the shooting start. Also, keep in mind that all of the US carriers (other than Reagan, which is based in Japan) are based in Democratic states. The Navy may lean Republican, but I also don't think they would much care for being arrested for treason by local authorities the next time they return to base for supplies and to see their families.

I think we're far more likely to see active defiance of the Supreme Court and the Justice Department at the state level than open war. I would expect to see the situation devolve into something more like the civil unrest and integration conflicts of the 1960s, if things get heated, until some sort of consensus can be found. One big question on the table would be where the Guard's loyalties would lie. If a president ordered a unit with a tradition of some independence like the Massachusetts or Pennsylvania National Guard to fire upon citizens of its own state trying to keep abortion clinics open, do they do it?

I'm not sure that they do, which is why Deng Xiaoping shipped in units from the provinces to overrun Tiananmen in 1989. He didn't trust the local Beijing troops to fire at the students in the square. Those logistics required controlling the pathways to get to Beijing, which an extreme right-wing government would have difficulty accomplishing in the United States.

A hypothetical cryptofascist state, with a base of support in the center of the country and the Southeast, would face serious problems with maintaining its monopoly on the use of force.
 
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