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[LinekersLegs]

i can't believe Murdoch aired that

Unless he's like our base is so far down the rabbit hole nothing matters any more.

It was a super weird interview all together

 

[Martin Alvito]

i can't believe Murdoch aired that

Unless he's like our base is so far down the rabbit hole nothing matters any more.

I think it's 'eyeballs'. Kanye has become an icon, so people will watch. It's not like you have to make sense to be a conservative icon these days. As long as you line up behind the talking points, you can say whatever you want about everything else and no one cares how nonsensical it is.

 

[TN Toffee]

Good. It’s been 160 years, long past time to move on.

U.S. military to stop honoring Confederate history — finally

The Naming Commission's goal is to remove all official commemorations of the Confederacy.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[Martin Alvito]

Good. It’s been 160 years, long past time to move on.

U.S. military to stop honoring Confederate history — finally

The Naming Commission's goal is to remove all official commemorations of the Confederacy.

www.bostonglobe.com

I'm going to continue to take the unpopular stance that this is the wrong move. They were Americans, too. We need to be talking about why that happened, and why it's such a stain, if we want to make things better going forward.

The Constitution is not a holy document. It's the compromise output of a committee that was appeasing the some of the people in the room, whose descendants rebelled when everybody else decided to quit appeasing them. It's deeply flawed, which is why Madison, Hamilton and Jay had to contort themselves so hard in the process of defending it. It turns out that certain aspects work just like they thought those aspects would, which is why it sort of works.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I'm going to continue to take the unpopular stance that this is the wrong move. They were Americans, too. We need to be talking about why that happened, and why it's such a stain, if we want to make things better going forward.

The Constitution is not a holy document. It's the compromise output of a committee that was appeasing the some of the people in the room, whose descendants rebelled when everybody else decided to quit appeasing them. It's deeply flawed, which is why Madison, Hamilton and Jay had to contort themselves so hard in the process of defending it. It turns out that certain aspects work just like they thought those aspects would, which is why it sort of works.

I don’t think changing Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty is going to stop discussion of the what/why of the civil war, it will just stop a base being named after a slave owner which is presumably deeply offensive to a significant proportion of the people who work/train there.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I don’t think this person was the key problem with the campaign

 

[Martin Alvito]

I don’t think changing Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty is going to stop discussion of the what/why of the civil war, it will just stop a base being named after a slave owner which is presumably deeply offensive to a significant proportion of the people who work/train there.

I think that we should continue to call it Fort Bragg, and talk about why those people named it what they did. I don't particularly care about the sensibilities of the people that work there, because it would become a lot less offensive if we had the discussions and quit being such hypocrites about the impact of race in American politics and political history generally. It's a stain. We should own it the way the Germans did, rather than go down the path of the Japanese and whitewash it for fear of offending somebody.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think that we should continue to call it Fort Bragg, and talk about why those people named it what they did. I don't particularly care about the sensibilities of the people that work there, because it would become a lot less offensive if we had the discussions and quit being such hypocrites about the impact of race in American politics and political history generally. It's a stain. We should own it the way the Germans did, rather than go down the path of the Japanese and whitewash it for fear of offending somebody.

I think we can own it without continuing the honoring of the people concerned which is what the name of a base does.

I think the sensibilities of the people who work there is pretty important tbh

 

[Martin Alvito]

I think we can own it without continuing the honoring of the people concerned which is what the name of a base does.

I think the sensibilities of the people who work there is pretty important tbh

I think it's counterproductive, short-term thinking. As noted, it's an unpopular opinion and I don't think we're likely to see eye-to-eye on this one. I'm not persuadable on the matter, and I doubt you are either.

Where I think we can agree is on things like banning the display of the Confederate flag, as the Germans banned the swastika. What really bothers me about the whole thing is that I think the American flag is increasingly becoming the socially acceptable way to display racist attitudes. That's going to bite us on down the road if we don't do something about it, and I think it displays the folly of taking away all of the rallying points we can all agree are no bueno.

This is part of why my position is to ban the worst of the offending symbols and move forward from there.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think it's counterproductive, short-term thinking. As noted, it's an unpopular opinion and I don't think we're likely to see eye-to-eye on this one. I'm not persuadable on the matter, and I doubt you are either.

Where I think we can agree is on things like banning the display of the Confederate flag, as the Germans banned the swastika. What really bothers me about the whole thing is that I think the American flag is increasingly becoming the socially acceptable way to display racist attitudes. That's going to bite us on down the road if we don't do something about it, and I think it displays the folly of taking away all of the rallying points we can all agree are no bueno.

This is part of why my position is to ban the worst of the offending symbols and move forward from there.

Accurate, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one!

Agree on the American flag concern.

 

[TN Toffee]

I don’t think changing Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty is going to stop discussion of the what/why of the civil war, it will just stop a base being named after a slave owner which is presumably deeply offensive to a significant proportion of the people who work/train there.

Not only a slave owner, but a man who committed treason in service of keeping people’s ancestors enslaved. It would be one thing if these forts/monuments/etc. somehow predated the war, but they were named as such, and put up in towns in the early 1900’s specifically for the purpose of reminding African Americans of “their place”.

 

[TN Toffee]

I think it's counterproductive, short-term thinking. As noted, it's an unpopular opinion and I don't think we're likely to see eye-to-eye on this one. I'm not persuadable on the matter, and I doubt you are either.

Where I think we can agree is on things like banning the display of the Confederate flag, as the Germans banned the swastika. What really bothers me about the whole thing is that I think the American flag is increasingly becoming the socially acceptable way to display racist attitudes. That's going to bite us on down the road if we don't do something about it, and I think it displays the folly of taking away all of the rallying points we can all agree are no bueno.

This is part of why my position is to ban the worst of the offending symbols and move forward from there.

Agree 100% on this. The Gadsden Flag has pretty much been fully co-opted at this point, and it feels like the actual American flag may not be too far behind.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Agree 100% on this. The Gadsden Flag has pretty much been fully co-opted at this point, and it feels like the actual American flag may not be too far behind.

I'm picturing George H. W. Bush finding himself supporting flag-burning and wondering, "How on Earth did we get here?"

 

[LinekersLegs]

Dr Oz advance team has some views on what makes a good backdrop

 

[LinekersLegs]