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[Wizard]

WTAF..

How on Earth should this be a state matter and not a fundamental human right?!

 

[Martin Alvito]

How on Earth should this be a state matter and not a fundamental human right?!

Human rights don't exist. The only rights that exist are those that are explicitly and originally enumerated by the Constitution. Try to keep up.

 

[LinekersLegs]

A quick Google search suggests that the information in the brochure is a substantively accurate description of Massachusetts refugee assistance programs.

It's also really poor optics, if you think about it for a minute. It says, "We don't want to engage in social spending of this character, because it's cheaper to just export these people to a state that cares about them."

It then becomes fair to ask, "At what point will the state make the same call with respect to  me?"

This sets aside the issue of whether or not false promises or inducements were made, which will be hard to prove when Florida will just point to the brochure, claim that its contents are the entirety of what was said, and deny responsibility for any 'misinterpretations' that may have occurred.

This doesn't seem to fit statutory descriptions of human trafficking, etc. either, though God only knows what case law says on the subject. I suspect that this plan was vetted by competent attorneys. DeSantis is spending money allocated by the legislature for the purpose, so he's kosher on that one.

It's newsworthy (and backfired) due to the contrast between the actions of DeSantis and the residents' response. It shows just how callous DeSantis is, but you already knew that.

He may not be

 

[Martin Alvito]

He may not be

This is an interesting point. It's similar to: if you only entered the state while connecting through an airport, did you visit it?

In principle, I would say that the Florida statute applies in this case, but we also would probably agree that you didn't visit the state if you never left the airport when connecting to somewhere else.

 

[LinekersLegs]

This is an interesting point. It's similar to: if you only entered the state while connecting through an airport, did you visit it?

In principle, I would say that the Florida statute applies in this case, but we also would probably agree that you didn't visit the state if you never left the airport when connecting to somewhere else.

If they made their way to a Florida airport under their own steam I think the Florida statute would apply, flying them from Texas to Florida and then MV (especially when you have stated the final destination is not Florida) seems a bit too novel interpretation but guess we’ll see.

 

[Martin Alvito]

If they made their way to a Florida airport under their own steam I think the Florida statute would apply, flying them from Texas to Florida and then MV (especially when you have stated the final destination is not Florida) seems a bit too novel interpretation but guess we’ll see.

I think that the moment they set foot upon Florida soil DeSantis is kosher to 'remove' them as the statute is written. Whether the case law supports that is another question, and that's the sort of thing I farm out to an expert.

It doesn't really matter in the sense that I suspect that what swing voters remain (outside of Florida) can more or less agree that the actions that were taken were 'wrong'. I think he simultaneously won a second term and shot his national ambitions all in one fell swoop.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I think that the moment they set foot upon Florida soil DeSantis is kosher to 'remove' them as the statute is written. Whether the case law supports that is another question, and that's the sort of thing I farm out to an expert.

It doesn't really matter in the sense that I suspect that what swing voters remain (outside of Florida) can more or less agree that the actions that were taken were 'wrong'. I think he simultaneously won a second term and shot his national ambitions all in one fell swoop.

But I don’t see how that statute would allow for payment, using taxpayer funds, for the Texas to Florida leg, even if it would allow for the onward flight.

I’d like the think his national ambitions were hit but given some of the stuff Trump said/did and those swing voters still ticked his name I am not confident.

 

[Martin Alvito]

But I don’t see how that statute would allow for payment, using taxpayer funds, for the Texas to Florida leg, even if it would allow for the onward flight.

I’d like the think his national ambitions were hit but given some of the stuff Trump said/did and those swing voters still ticked his name I am not confident.

If he paid for the Texas-Florida leg, I would agree that he has problems.

Trump's power derives from the non-voters he can turn out, rather than his ability to sway independents.

 

[LinekersLegs]

While millions of dollars are moved throughout Florida politics each year, the donations may shed light on why Vertol was chosen to carry out the migrant flights last week—and why Florida was seemingly willing to pay more than double the market price for a charter service to do so.

The Daily Beast obtained a quote for a charter flight between San Antonio and Martha’s Vineyard on Wednesday, which included the transportation of 60 people on a Thursday afternoon flight. The estimate, obtained from a website that aggregates charter flight costs from multiple companies, produced cost estimates between $95,536 and $260,214 to fly 60 people on a day’s notice non-stop with varying amenities, like in-air entertainment and flight attendants.

Rena Davenport, a sales associate with Exquisite Air Charter, said in an email that large capacity aircraft can vary significantly in price for charter flights, and that final cost details are often discussed over the phone. The cost of Florida’s migrant flight, however, is still more than double the market price for the most expensive domestic charter flight quoted.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Martin Alvito]

Zero way in Hades that holds up, if run up to the federal level. Enforcing that would require enforcing a lot of other antiquated laws, and they don't want the fallout on their docket. They'll probably strike it down as pre-dating the state, rather than blanket-invalidate everything on the books we don't enforce.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Zero way in Hades that holds up, if run up to the federal level. Enforcing that would require enforcing a lot of other antiquated laws, and they don't want the fallout on their docket. They'll probably strike it down as pre-dating the state, rather than blanket-invalidate everything on the books we don't enforce.

I hope so but in the meantime there are going to be some awful impacts on those who are pregnant.

 

[Martin Alvito]

I hope so but in the meantime there are going to be some awful impacts on those who are pregnant.

I would hope that the activists can get the state's Supreme Court to grant an injunction, but we'll see about that.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ffs