Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

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We have pretty low standards for leadership in case you haven’t noticed. I’m still not sure he won’t step down mid term.
I think he will honestly. Been saying it for awhile. 2 years in I think he's done and Kamala has a shot at 10 years. It's what annoys me a bt about Manchin and that ass from Arizona. They can get EVERYTHING done in 2 years and then go back and go back to not caring and nobody will remember those other 2 years at all.
 
I think he will honestly. Been saying it for awhile. 2 years in I think he's done and Kamala has a shot at 10 years. It's what annoys me a bt about Manchin and that ass from Arizona. They can get EVERYTHING done in 2 years and then go back and go back to not caring and nobody will remember those other 2 years at all.
We’re gonna disagree on this part. I think more independent thinking is needed in government, not less. The whole expectation that you have to vote along party lines all the time is a major problem for me.

Same thing in voting, people vote up and down party lines and have a sense of pride in doing so, without knowing a darn thing about any of the candidates, their history, or their policies. If you masked the political affiliation and asked people what candidate was best, I suspect most wouldn’t have a clue how to respond outside of presidential and maybe us senate races.
 
We’re gonna disagree on this part. I think more independent thinking is needed in government, not less. The whole expectation that you have to vote along party lines all the time is a major problem for me.

Same thing in voting, people vote up and down party lines and have a sense of pride in doing so, without knowing a darn thing about any of the candidates, their history, or their policies. If you masked the political affiliation and asked people what candidate was best, I suspect most wouldn’t have a clue how to respond outside of presidential and maybe us senate races.
You can take your time AFTER you fix the major major issues.
 
You can take your time AFTER you fix the major major issues.
If someone agrees a problem exists but disagrees with how to solve it, they should be able to express that.

Let’s take the stimulus bill for instance. A big talking point was who gets the 1400 checks. I know people who got them, I know people who didn’t. Not a single person I know who got a check actually needed it and many have said as much. That’s when the conversation gets fun. Some celebrate it saying, “Hey free money, let’s party.” or “I’m gonna gamble it.” Keep in mind these are my friends, but that absolutely drives me nuts. The whole goal is as to help people in need. That had to happen. But just cutting checks to people with relatively high incomes could’ve been prevented with some more critical thinking, analysis, input, and compromise. And hey, that compromise probably could’ve sped up the process of them coming to an agreement.

So while we’ll all agree, the big issues need solving, the solution should also be right and our leaders should be willing to debate what the solution should actually be rather than just voting down the line.
 
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Let's see if the courts are willing to make this right.

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They have the best lawyer fighting their case so they stand a good chance

 
We’re gonna disagree on this part. I think more independent thinking is needed in government, not less. The whole expectation that you have to vote along party lines all the time is a major problem for me.

Same thing in voting, people vote up and down party lines and have a sense of pride in doing so, without knowing a darn thing about any of the candidates, their history, or their policies. If you masked the political affiliation and asked people what candidate was best, I suspect most wouldn’t have a clue how to respond outside of presidential and maybe us senate races.
Manchin is no "independent thinker".

He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He virtually votes for the right side of the isle on nearly all issues.

He has never come out with any view independent of either side.

He plays identity politics better than most. Making sure to speak up and be heard on the ideals that seemingly make him progressive but in reality he isn't.

The only time he votes "along party lines" is when it won't wobble his right leaning base. He never has a real opponent because the right know he had their back and anyone running against him has a slim chance of beating him.

Sinema on the other hand could be considered once independent. Given her stint as a green party member. The problem with her is she went on to join groups who say otherwise.

She is rightly fecked the next time her seat is up. The left now hate her and she has not played her cards right. Given her history and how she started, she doesn't have the same draw to conservatives as Manchin.

She will be beat easily by a conservative actually representing the right on the next round. All the while being stupid enough to vote their way on key issues.

America doesn't have independent thinkers in politics. That is largely the problem here. Sanders could have been one. But he knew he had to bed in with one of the sides that matched his views closer to get a real run.

Speaking of Sinema she worked for Nadar another sort of independent who if I recall ran that way with some success.

Which is hard to do. That is the issue. If you attempt to be free thinking or different no one cares. Especially the networks. Least of all forgetting those who pass brown envelopes across tables.

What America needs is for these "independent thinkers" to hold firm as independents or third parties and strive for change.

One party definitely doesn't have independent thinkers and never will and that's the right. Hence why the majority of independent who rise to popularity fall in line on the left to be then drowned out.

It's like the world's longest running chess game where the viewer can see the eventual solution but the players are too stubborn to take a risky move.
 
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