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Yeah which makes sense. Catholicism is a backwards religion which is one of the most conservative with many of its stances. So no surprise anyone who says they are catholic are seen as republican.
Given how conservative the Catholic church were with their anti gay and anti abortion stance in Ireland especially during the last two referendums.
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Catholicism is the "liberal" christian religion on the US. Evangelicals aren't even a religion here, its just a hard right wing political movement.
Not sure a religion that is anti gays and against abortion could be seen as liberal. Hence probably why the publisher believes that those that still practice their faith as catholic maybe conservative.
Also If that's the case based on my choices on the link @RAFUH posted it should have given me Democrat first before i changed it to Atheist. Given that like she points out that the page notes that religion is the strongest predictor.
I would bet if we were to look at the stats of Catholics voting for Democrats or Republicans it would be the later. I do remember reading that Obama was given more votes by Catholics and it was a surprising shift because before him Reagan and both Bushes got more votes as did the Republican candidate against Clinton. Although Clinton got more than previous Democrats.
Obviously with the growth of Latin Catholics that would probably shift given how they normally vote but even then not by much.
I also googled the Catholic vote in the last election and 52% of Catholics voted for Trump and Pence.
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it depends. traditionally catholics have voted in socially conserative democrats and socially liberal republicians (especially in the northeast where most catholics are concentrated). The vibe being, say, if you are going to be against abortion then you aren't allowed to screw the poor, and you want to screw the poor than you can't preach social issues. However most of these kind of policticians don't really exist anymore so dunno now. The vast majority of white people who ID themselves as catholics only go to church on holidays and weddings becuase lordy, catholic church is boring as @#%$.
That goes to my point of the majority of my brethren from Ireland. Only Catholic when it suits. Like you say holidays and well to get married in a church.
The Irish still fill out their census saying they are catholic despite not going to church regularly or caring about the church. Probably only go for a wedding or funeral or again like you say on special occasions. It seems like maybe many American liberals despite growing up as Catholic don't truly believe. But culturally maybe don't want to disown it just yet because it serves its purpose.
But for those who still take it seriously i guarantee they are conservative.
Here's one for you the biggest groups against abortion and gay people in the latest referendums in Ireland were catholic church going people who still believed. Their biggest backers financially were actually American Catholic groups and other right wing religious groups and well right wing groups in general.
the hate ads and lies were backed by american backers to suit agendas but spouted by die hard Catholics.
I have a buddy who is like that a real charlie church who also lives in the US and he is full on conservative because as he put it they suit his lifestyle.
Long history of catholic democrats beginning with Kennedy, Cuomo etc. Much of Chicago and NYC’s Irish/Italian Catholics are Dems. Though they can be conservative on some issues.
Depressing thread about the fairly recent history of racist killing and voting in America
...it’s going to be interesting. If I lived in the US, i’d certainly be in the Democrat camp.
Any predictions for tomorrow?
I suspect that, again, the polls will be wrong and will have greatly underestimated Republican turn-out, and that even many of the leaning-blue seats won't be taken. (I don't want this to happen).
I suspect that, again, the polls will be wrong and will have greatly underestimated Republican turn-out, and that even many of the leaning-blue seats won't be taken. (I don't want this to happen).
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Possibly, but generally where polling is weak is where there are a lot of unlikely voters all going in one direction.
Seems that IF such an effect occurs, it’s far more likely to favour Democrats.
There’s also far less likely to be “the secret Trump voter effect” this time round.
In terms of predictions, I’m taking a leaf from the PSA guys and getting out of the prediction business.
Dems to take the house, GOP to keep the Senate, maybe gain one seat. Florida and Georgia to get dem governors.
Yeah, I think this is pretty much how it'll go. I'm optimistic that a lot of moderate GOP areas in 2016 will swing hard left this election.
I've lost faith in the US and think the majority of the country are legally braindead.
For example:
"The Republican edge among white men without a college education increased from 27 points in October to 39 points."
I think that will be the story - Republicans hold firm because Americans are either incapable of or simply choose not to learn their lesson.
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