General strike/protest

[oldblue]

The Thought Police come and whisk you away to The Ministry of Love

I'll have to read 1984 again and see if any of its still shocking. Although I'd probably be relieved The Ministry Of Love wasn't a rubbish club night

 

[oldblue]

On the plus side we won the cup in 1984 so it's all good omens

 

[WycombeToffee]

Ours was about 1hr 45mins of openly bigoted attitude towards peoples of certain colour and/or ethnicity, sprinkled with the blaming of parents and certain communities for not doing enough to stop kids from being vulnerable; interspersed with the odd comment on how the far right might also be a threat. I seem to remember that you have to keep an eye out for tired kids who've been up all night playing online shoot em ups, as the interwebs is a popular grooming ground.

You do realise that this strategy tries to "prevent" radicalisation. And it isn't racist/bigoted to look out for people of a certain colour, when people of that colour are by far the most likely to be radicalised. It is common sense. Talking specifically about Muslims in this context isn't racist at all. It is logical.

And you may also realise that helping communities/parents to identify radicalisation is actually a good strategy too. Once you place a bit more responsibility upon them, they might do more to help. It is better than doing nothing, or tiptoeing around as if it isn't an issue.

 

[daylightrobber]

You do realise that this strategy tries to "prevent" radicalisation. And it isn't racist/bigoted to look out for people of a certain colour, when people of that colour are by far the most likely to be radicalised. It is common sense. Talking specifically about Muslims in this context isn't racist at all. It is logical.

And you may also realise that helping communities/parents to identify radicalisation is actually a good strategy too. Once you place a bit more responsibility upon them, they might do more to help. It is better than doing nothing, or tiptoeing around as if it isn't an issue.

And you do realise that tarring everyone with the same brush is a disgusting way to go about things. There was no focus on facilitating integration and learning to understand other cultures etc. People who are susceptible to radicalisation already feel marginalised. Why introduce a scheme which alienates them more rather than one which gives them a sense of being in our society?

Worth adding that there are more attacks on innocent Muslims in the UK than there are by Muslims. It's a dangerous cycle perpetuated by the authorities.

 

[bignev23]

Spying on kids and reporting them to authorities who think anyone who doesn't think like they do and should be sent to re education camps for having or saying in politically correct statements or changes in behaviour (which could be for any number of reasons other than extremism) is nothing short of facist behaviour and could even add to the problems we face by creating a sense of fear and mistrust among these targeted communities. In short it's a terrible idea but people are no doubt getting rich from it so it will keep on going. Also how many white kids would be reported if they were heard saying things they had heard their parents saying like ' we should just nuke the whole place' or stuff like that, not many I'm willing to guess. Teachers should not be involved in this grassing unless they have genuine concerns about someone,not just because they have been told it is their duty to do so.

 

[oldblue]

Spying on kids and reporting them to authorities who think anyone who doesn't think like they do and should be sent to re education camps for having or saying in politically correct statements or changes in behaviour (which could be for any number of reasons other than extremism) is nothing short of facist behaviour and could even add to the problems we face by creating a sense of fear and mistrust among these targeted communities. In short it's a terrible idea but people are no doubt getting rich from it so it will keep on going. Also how many white kids would be reported if they were heard saying things they had heard their parents saying like ' we should just nuke the whole place' or stuff like that, not many I'm willing to guess. Teachers should not be involved in this grassing unless they have genuine concerns about someone,not just because they have been told it is their duty to do so.

And I'm also sure most decent teachers have always discussed concerns about anything with pupils or anyone else who actually genuinely cares about the child. This is just horrible dehumanising rhetoric.

 

[oldblue]

You do realise that this strategy tries to "prevent" radicalisation. And it isn't racist/bigoted to look out for people of a certain colour, when people of that colour are by far the most likely to be radicalised. It is common sense. Talking specifically about Muslims in this context isn't racist at all. It is logical.

And you may also realise that helping communities/parents to identify radicalisation is actually a good strategy too. Once you place a bit more responsibility upon them, they might do more to help. It is better than doing nothing, or tiptoeing around as if it isn't an issue.

And was this common sense ever in place to prevent kids being drawn to extreme right wing ideologies?

 

[WycombeToffee]

And you do realise that tarring everyone with the same brush is a disgusting way to go about things. There was no focus on facilitating integration and learning to understand other cultures etc. People who are susceptible to radicalisation already feel marginalised. Why introduce a scheme which alienates them more rather than one which gives them a sense of being in our society?

Worth adding that there are more attacks on innocent Muslims in the UK than there are by Muslims. It's a dangerous cycle perpetuated by the authorities.

You're not tarring everyone with the same brush. No-one in their right mind would believe that all Muslims were dangerous/radical/terrorists. All the Muslims I know are great lads. You just have to admit that extreme radicalisation in Britain is largely a Muslim problem. It is incredibly naive not to. Then you can start to address the problem from there.

Take my town, Wycombe, for example. This area is over 20% Muslim, and has about 10 mosques. Apart from Dewsbury, this town has created more terrorists/ISIS fighters than any other. And almost every single one has been a regular member of one particular mosque. Clearly, you're not targeting all Muslims, because the vast majority of mosques and Muslims are completely fine and respectable. But failing to admit that this clear trend is related to that specific Islamic community would be utterly absurd. That is the situation in a microcosm.

 

[WycombeToffee]

Spying on kids and reporting them to authorities who think anyone who doesn't think like they do and should be sent to re education camps for having or saying in politically correct statements or changes in behaviour (which could be for any number of reasons other than extremism) is nothing short of facist behaviour and could even add to the problems we face by creating a sense of fear and mistrust among these targeted communities. In short it's a terrible idea but people are no doubt getting rich from it so it will keep on going. Also how many white kids would be reported if they were heard saying things they had heard their parents saying like ' we should just nuke the whole place' or stuff like that, not many I'm willing to guess. Teachers should not be involved in this grassing unless they have genuine concerns about someone,not just because they have been told it is their duty to do so.

Come on. This isn't just a difference in thinking or opinion. This is radicalisation, extremism and terrorism.

 

[bignev23]

Come on. This isn't just a difference in thinking or opinion. This is radicalisation, extremism and terrorism.

Is it though? a kid reported for misspelling 'terraced house' as 'terrorist house' isn't really radicalisation in my book or

Teachers told the MCB that pupils are being asked to do presentations on sensitive subjects – such as the Syrian conflict – to elicit their views, or those of their parents. They cite referrals for pupils using such terms as alhamdulillah – praise be to God – and quote a teacher who told them of a request to refer a Muslim boy to Channel after he asked how to build a bomb during a class on nuclear fission. When non-Muslim pupils asked the same question, no concerns were raised.

and plenty more examples are used in this article from the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...m-strategy-schools-demonising-muslim-children which I thought was a good read.

 

[WycombeToffee]

Is it though? a kid reported for misspelling 'terraced house' as 'terrorist house' isn't really radicalisation in my book or and plenty more examples are used in this article from the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...m-strategy-schools-demonising-muslim-children which I thought was a good read.

You would rather we didn't have a prevention strategy in place (possibly leading to preventable terrorist attacks), to save the blushes of a few innocent kids who accidentally said something suspicious?

 

[bignev23]

You would rather we didn't have a prevention strategy in place (possibly leading to preventable terrorist attacks), to save the blushes of a few innocent kids who accidentally said something suspicious?[b/]

I think it's a bit more than that myself its a whole community and to say these kids are going to grow up into terrorists before they have even committed an offence is in my opinion dreadful. I myself disagree with lots of government policy and have seen the odd execution video. If I was a Muslim teen would they then be targeting me? it's nonsense to suggest that would mean I'm at high risk of being radicalised. I think they're trawling when they should be line fishing, it has much less impact on the eco system.

 

[roydo]

Has it happened yet?

 

[daylightrobber]

You're not tarring everyone with the same brush. No-one in their right mind would believe that all Muslims were dangerous/radical/terrorists. All the Muslims I know are great lads. You just have to admit that extreme radicalisation in Britain is largely a Muslim problem. It is incredibly naive not to. Then you can start to address the problem from there.

Take my town, Wycombe, for example. This area is over 20% Muslim, and has about 10 mosques. Apart from Dewsbury, this town has created more terrorists/ISIS fighters than any other. And almost every single one has been a regular member of one particular mosque. Clearly, you're not targeting all Muslims, because the vast majority of mosques and Muslims are completely fine and respectable. But failing to admit that this clear trend is related to that specific Islamic community would be utterly absurd. That is the situation in a microcosm.

The decision to fund Prevent training through local authorities only according to the proportion of Muslims in the area shows a disregard for all other extremisms (of which there are many) and contributes to the creation of a suspected community. It might not be designed to target all Muslims, but it is designed to target only Muslims.

Prevent alienates Muslims and allows Islamophobia to grow. As I stated at the very start, it is, in my opinion, badly thought out.

 

[Clint Planet]

I mean, George Orwell was writing a warning of what possibly could come to be, not an instruction manual FFS

Sadly, he appears more and more prescient with each passing day.

Latest one, Nicky Morgan appointing a lawyer whose firm works for the government as head of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...or-choosing-city-lawyer-to-head-equality-body

You couldn't make it up.

But don't worry, Bruce will be along shortly to quote some peer assessed study which assures us everything is fine..