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Its not a million miles away from what does happen I think. In that each school does get a £ per pupil, just from Government. My Dad, (the one on a christmas card list), was a governor at another (primary) school is town. He used to fume that the £ per pupil in his school was tons less than others in other areas controlled by the then LEA.

Sure it was nothing to do with the MPs that were routinely returned to Westminster mind.

I suppose the difference would be that parents could spend their allotted amount wherever they chose rather than via the postcode system (assuming schools opened up their 'market' to anyone). It is all hypothetical, but it wouldn't be 'that' surprising if it wasn't something that would follow on from academies, ie the state provide the funds for 'free' education for all, but don't provide the service itself. Their role then is more of regulator than provider. Maybe.
 
I guess folk who dont like them will jump on ones that are crap as proof, and vice versa.

But as an observer, why cant we just fund and support both? Let a school who wants to try it, try it, and also support ones that what to stay in the LEA likewise.

Making them compulsory kind of renders the term Academy pointless. They will all just be Schools. Or Academies.

Unless I have missed something.

its the compulsory thing that I don't like, a friend of mine who is a teacher and a tory voter things the idea is absolutely ridiculous!
 
its the compulsory thing that I don't like, a friend of mine who is a teacher and a tory voter things the idea is absolutely ridiculous!

In general, I do not like compulsory things. It usually means folk who know less about stuff than you do, enforce their dogma on you.

One of the things that put me off socialism if I am honest. And governments in general.
 
its the compulsory thing that I don't like, a friend of mine who is a teacher and a tory voter things the idea is absolutely ridiculous!

Why though? Is it simply that these academies aren't run by the government? Places like Harvard or Oxford aren't run by the government either, yet they're not bad teaching establishments.
 
I don't think that was in question.
No pointless lists and no pig's heads. It's a deal. Although the response to both 'stories' from the opposite party's leader is maybe worth mentioning. Dignified silence on one side. Childish theatrics on the other. More of an indication of which party is becoming an embarrassment.
Sorry, back on policy.
 
Why though? Is it simply that these academies aren't run by the government? Places like Harvard or Oxford aren't run by the government either, yet they're not bad teaching establishments.

I think making it compulsory is daft.

It just means a school has a different name, and a different signatory on the cheque each year.

Again, this government picking fights that dont really need to fought, imo.
 
Anti Academies Alliance | The Harris Federation and Ofsted ...

"So, for three good reasons, we are publishing the letter today. We have also written to OFSTED and the Secretary of State Nicky Morgan alerting them to the allegations. We believe they need investigating and answering and that this should be done publicly and transparently.

The text of the letter we received on 26th June 2015 is as follows:

It may interest you to learn of the Harris Academy Chain’s approach to OFSTED inspections. Harris Academy Upper Norwood in South London is being inspected today. Virtually all the normal teaching staff have been sent home for two days to be replaced by a specialist team of Harris teaching staff from outside the school with pre-prepared lessons. 10% of the students who might be thought of as challenging have been removed for the duration of the inspection. Not really in the spirit of the inspection process is it? This is common practice amongst Harris Schools and just the tip of the “dirty tricks” they use to boost examinations and con inspectors.

Staff at the school are treated appallingly and 40 are leaving this year. The Harris model of education is a virus. Please help expose it".

Academy Chains: A scandal that needs to end | Local ...

Salaries well above those of LEAs: The Chief Executives of chains seem able to pay themselves whatever they like. The previous CEO of E-ACT, Bruce Liddington, was able to pay himself almost £300,000. He stepped down after the chain was given a "financial notice to improve" by the Education Funding Agency amidst talk of financial irregularities of £393,000. E-ACT had previously been investigated over claims that the directors were living the "high life". The head of the Harris chain was reported as earning even more(£320,000), and £200,000 plus salaries have been reported at other chains.

Profit vehicles? The Department for Educationclaims that those associated with chains cannot make profits. However the Guardian found academy chains paying millions to private firms associated with their directors. AET has recentlyput out a tender for services across its schools of between £200 million and £400 million over ten years, the provider to be majority owned by the Trust. It may be true that the Trust will still not make profits but there is nothing to stop the Directors paying themselves ever higher salaries from any surplus generated".

 
Again, this government picking fights that dont really need to fought, imo.

It certainly seems that way. It won't end well for these tories as it did for thatcher. She at least knew how to win a fight with the unions.

Backed by oil money, of course. Now there is none...
 
It certainly seems that way. It won't end well for these tories as it did for thatcher. She at least knew how to win a fight with the unions.

Backed by oil money, of course. Now there is none...

Aye. Said many times, all I want is competence. Sometimes you get a bit, but them playing these daft games just does my nut. On all sides.

You can lob plenty at her, but she knew what fights to pick, thats for sure.
 
Confused me.

My local comprehensive, that I and my son both went to, went academy a few years back. Think the then head proposed it, and it was agreed.

And it is a terrific school. Really brilliant teachers, great exam results, and it seems to deliver rounded, well behaved, (mainly), well educated kids.

Why is that bad?

Becoming an academy won't necessarily make it a bad school - nor will it automatically make it a good school (and, indeed, there is now a wealth of evidence to prove this - if anything, it could be argued, academy status has a slightly negative effect on how well a school "performs").

A bit of essential context:

Academy status was introduced by the Labour administration as a way of providing extra help for failing schools. The theory was that if a school existing and functioning within Local Education Authority control (as all schools, up to that point, were) was failing within that system then "freeing" it of this control would allow the school to look beyond the LEA for the help that it needed. It also, rather conveniently, got a cash injection for its troubles - no bad thing when you're trying to raise standards.

Of course, when you think about it, the idea that "freeing" a failing school (or any school) from it's support network (LEAs provide expert advice and in-school support via their School Advisors - almost invariably ex-teachers with bags of experience and creative ideas - and organising pan-borough cultural and sporting events), not to mention negotiating the price of its bog-roll and photocopier contracts, is slightly absurd in one sense. And "freeing" all schools in this way seems to be utterly bonkers.

until you consider this:

Traditional schools like my own are currently served and controlled by local democratically elected boroughs - local people chosen by local people. They also have democratically elected Parent Governors on their governing bodies. They are non-profit, accountable organisations providing an often "Good" or "Outstanding" service to their communities (and let's be clear here - 82% of the Primary Schools that the government wants to force into Academy status are currently seen to be "Good" or "Outstanding" by Ofsted).

In the Academy Era, "Trusts" (Multi Academy Trusts, to give them their official title - for which, read: For-profit organisations) have emerged, with indecent haste, oddly enough, and suddenly a creeping-privatisation agenda starts to emerge.

These trust are, of course, non-elected and therefore not locally (or in any way) democratic). Furthermore, the Tory idea of scrapping Parent Governors (elected by the schools' parents) is an additional nail in the accountability coffin. Essentially, the Tories know that Parent Voice may well get in the way of its dodgy agenda.

Ultimately, the Academy system outsources education to private profiteers via the back door. Teacher morale within these school is notoriously low - not a great environment in which to fire young minds, I wouldn't have thought - and the raison d'etre of the institution has shifted, rather troublingly, from "educating our children" to "make money for entrepreneurs."

Even Tory activists in the shires are screaming that this is a disastrous idea.

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Over to Bruce......
 
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