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Yes...things have been tough,but not for the last 50 odd years...
I travel the country as part of my business needs.
I can assure you that other Labour controlled area's are in better shape than us.,for instance,Sheffield,Leeds,York,Lancaster,and many parts of Cheshire and Midlands.
None have our advantages..ie Tourism,Airport,road links,the fantastic and wasted resource of the Mersey riverfront,and the inherent self improvement of the populace.
Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator,ie,The Labour Party,and from thence springs the victim syndrome,and the Kopite belligerent attitude.
 
This particularly doesn't surprise me.

I'm amazed the WCAs exist in a civilised society, especially the way they're carried out. It's pure human degradation - they treat people on the presumption of guilt.

The people who talk about "scroungers" using this system literally have zero clue what they are talking about. Witness it before you talk about it.
I think the WCA could've been really valuable if there was some sort of job allocation process that could align people with a suitable job that is sympathetic to their illness/disability (as well as rooting out the slackers ;-) ).

But it appears to have gone well in the other direction.
 
I think the WCA could've been really valuable if there was some sort of job allocation process that could align people with a suitable job that is sympathetic to their illness/disability (as well as rooting out the slackers ;-) ).

But it appears to have gone well in the other direction.
Que.????
 
Yes...things have been tough,but not for the last 50 odd years...
I travel the country as part of my business needs.
I can assure you that other Labour controlled area's are in better shape than us.,for instance,Sheffield,Leeds,York,Lancaster,and many parts of Cheshire and Midlands.
None have our advantages..ie Tourism,Airport,road links,the fantastic and wasted resource of the Mersey riverfront,and the inherent self improvement of the populace.
Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator,ie,The Labour Party,and from thence springs the victim syndrome,and the Kopite belligerent attitude.

So we have a majority at one end of the spectrum playing the victim and a supra elite bunch of care not a jots minority making the decisions? Some call it democracy....hmmm
 
So we have a majority at one end of the spectrum playing the victim and a supra elite bunch of care not a jots minority making the decisions? Some call it democracy....hmmm
No mate...it's called getting off your ass,and trying to make a better life for yourself and your family,and not blaming the rest of mankind for your failings.
People like you just want to drag everyone down to your level..
 
No mate...it's called getting off your ass,and trying to make a better life for yourself and your family,and not blaming the rest of mankind for your failings.
People like you just want to drag everyone down to your level..
Think you might be misreading things. Nobody wants to drag people like you down to their level exactly. It's more remove your pointless views and entitled nonsense from society.
I strongly suspect most of what you have is the result of other people's sacrifices. You don't get any credit for not acknowledging it.
 
No mate...it's called getting off your ass,and trying to make a better life for yourself and your family,and not blaming the rest of mankind for your failings.
People like you just want to drag everyone down to your level..

You seem to be beneath most as it is, hidden though it may be behind that caring, conscientious manner.

However, what 'it' is, is helping those who are vulnerable, giving a flying one for others less fortunate than myself and tackling those whho better themselves at the cost of others. That you are defending a system that bases itself on treading down the weakest says more about you than it does me 'blaming' someone.

People 'like me' or people 'like' you, who would others look to for help when they needed it most?
 
You seem to be beneath most as it is, hidden though it may be behind that caring, conscientious manner.

However, what 'it' is, is helping those who are vulnerable, giving a flying one for others less fortunate than myself and tackling those whho better themselves at the cost of others. That you are defending a system that bases itself on treading down the weakest says more about you than it does me 'blaming' someone.

People 'like me' or people 'like' you, who would others look to for help when they needed it most?
Always love how people talk about family as if nobody has ever done their best for their family and other people as well.
 
You seem to be beneath most as it is, hidden though it may be behind that caring, conscientious manner.

However, what 'it' is, is helping those who are vulnerable, giving a flying one for others less fortunate than myself and tackling those whho better themselves at the cost of others. That you are defending a system that bases itself on treading down the weakest says more about you than it does me 'blaming' someone.

People 'like me' or people 'like' you, who would others look to for help when they needed it most?


Juan, I'm a big fan of yours generally, but you're making a staggering amount of slam-dunk emotional arguments that just don't hold up to any scrutiny here. There's a rising trend of liberal echo chambers essentially accusing the Tory party, or anyone who votes for them, of being uncaring snobs picking the pockets of disabled people.

The reality of governance is that every decision you make has countless unforeseen consequences, and the ramifications of bad policy may not seem immediately apparent, even to the few people who get off their armchair to actually make those decisions. I'm a Mick, so I only observed the UK elections from afar, but there were some people who went as far as to defriend anyone who voted Tory on Facebook. And that sort of attitude is on the rise. You claim apathy and self-interest can be the only factors in a Tory vote, but I'd probably vote Conservative myself if I had a look at what was on the other side. Screaming and the absolute eradication of argument.

Boxing conservatism off and labelling it "evil" might help you feel better about yourself, but it does absolutely nothing to help debate and does no justice to the complexity of actually running a country.
 
Juan, I'm a big fan of yours generally, but you're making a staggering amount of slam-dunk emotional arguments that just don't hold up to any scrutiny here. There's a rising trend of liberal echo chambers essentially accusing the Tory party, or anyone who votes for them, of being uncaring snobs picking the pockets of disabled people.

The reality of governance is that every decision you make has countless unforeseen consequences, and the ramifications of bad policy may not seem immediately apparent, even to the few people who get off their armchair to actually make those decisions. I'm a Mick, so I only observed the UK elections from afar, but there were some people who went as far as to defriend anyone who voted Tory on Facebook. And that sort of attitude is on the rise. You claim apathy and self-interest can be the only factors in a Tory vote, but I'd probably vote Conservative myself if I had a look at what was on the other side. Screaming and the absolute eradication of argument.

Boxing conservatism off and labelling it "evil" might help you feel better about yourself, but it does absolutely nothing to help debate and does no justice to the complexity of actually running a country.

I can see the point you're making, but I feel you've overeached in my regard.
The arguments are emotional as we are dealing with, mainly, vulnerable members of society who are at the sharp end of this government's policies. I don't generally accuse tory voters, I deal with them with incredulity usually and use reasoned argument, but it's difficult here to forward an argument without running into TL:DR territory.
I don't de-friend anyone with a contrary view, I engage them. Some provoke by attempted ridicule and belittlement with an extended uncaring approach, the get up and do it for yourself approach. Behind my arguments lie the reasons why this is impossible for some, the cases, many of them, of disabled people now being tolfd to look for work or face sanctions when plainly unable to, are obvious, but less obvious to some are the intentions of an ideology that masks a culling attitude, alarmist as it may seem, but something not seen since 30s Germany, and I don't say that lightly.

As for apathy and self interest, this is a singular instance based on the posters own comments, bereft as they were of any compassion.

I don't consider Conservatism as 'evil', though I would apply that to thhis government, who do not represent conservatism but an extremism and, as I have posted many times, I believe it to be more akin to a class war than a war of politics.

It doesn't make me feel better about myself, it steels my resolve, and if debate is to be had then that would apply to both sides. as mentioned this one particular poster decided to expound a lack of care.

and if to vote for something because you don't like it's opposite is the way to go, then we all need help.

Apologies
 
I won't be able to make it between 9am and 5pm, but I might try and join in if it is still kicking off in the evening.
 
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