Current Affairs Gender Nonsence

[Xizor]

Imagine waking up every day to countless people who have no actual ‘dog in the fight’ denying your right to even exist in the way that you choose and trying to trivialise an entire group of people as just ‘postmodern nonsense’

Mad isn't it, how so many of them go out of their way to insist that they "don't have a problem with trans people" before going off on a barrage of anti trans bigotry, then crying about it when they get any pushback.

If your values line up with the sort of trash that Russian bot farms are spewing into 'the conversation' then you need to have a big long think about things.

Case in point:

And Doctor Who is a prime example of that fact. "We are going to force this down your throats whether you like it or not, and if you don't like it, don't watch it. But if you don't watch it, you're an 'ist' and a 'phobe' and it's not fair that the ratings are god awful and its all your fault. Humph"

See also: Star Wars, Marvel and anything else Disney has gone anywhere near in the last few years.

Imagine being a person that types something like this on the internet, for all to see. Imagine admitting to a parent, co-worker or friend that you'd even had this opinion, let alone ventured it forth. Imagine what they'd think of you, ranting against family/children's entertainment for pushing positive messages of acceptance.

It's not a good place to be. Just let go of this negativity, don't let it suck you under.

 

[Efcjake]

Spoiling for a fight over it?

Who started the thread and what was it's intention?

There's 1 side that is pushing the issue on Trans and pronouns, and its not the people who don't agree with it. But as soon as you state that you don’t, be prepared to feel the wrath.

That pretty much goes for any viral so called progressive subject. The much more vocal Social Justice Warriors are the instigators in most cases and proceed to shout louder when challenged and resort to dismissive ad hominem attacks to follow up.

And Doctor Who is a prime example of that fact. "We are going to force this down your throats whether you like it or not, and if you don't like it, don't watch it. But if you don't watch it, you're an 'ist' and a 'phobe' and it's not fair that the ratings are god awful and its all your fault. Humph"

See also: Star Wars, Marvel and anything else Disney has gone anywhere near in the last few years.

Well if you're not watching it because of those reasons only it probably makes you a phobe.

You decided you don't agree with it, you then chose that label for yourself.

"Wahhhhhh I wanna say I hate the trans and don't agree with it but don't dare call me an ist or a phobe even though I am acting in that exact manner. It hurts my feelings to be accurately labeled."

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Some people are typing awfully long paragraphs to say they're not arsed. At least they've all been rounded up in here finally.

 

[d34noj]

Well if you're not watching it because of those reasons only it probably makes you a phobe.

You decided you don't agree with it, you then chose that label for yourself.

"Wahhhhhh I wanna say I hate the trans and don't agree with it but don't dare call me an ist or a phobe even though I am acting in that exact manner. It hurts my feelings to be accurately labeled."

Coincidence?

 

[Efcjake]

Coincidence?

Not following you here.

I'm merely pointing out you can't claim not to be either an "Ist" or a "phobe" if your reason for avoiding those telly programs is because you don't agree with the content on some moral or values objection.

The act of avoiding and, in most cases actively disparaging, the content you disagree with is very much so in line with exactly what you'd expect of an "Ist" or a "phobe".

They just want to have a cry because it's being pointed out and labelled for what it is.

If Kever was complaining about the quality of the acting or the writing or the cinematography I don't think the "ist" or "phobe" label applies, but if your opposition to the content is solely based on some morality argument then it definitely does apply.

 

[Efcjake]

Coincidence?

Oh I follow you.

This is a ham fisted attempt to say your label for a person is accurate even if it's the one they don't choose for themselves?

 

[d34noj]

Not following you here.

I'm merely pointing out you can't claim not to be either an "Ist" or a "phobe" if your reason for avoiding those telly programs is because you don't agree with the content on some moral or values objection.

The act of avoiding and, in most cases actively disparaging, the content you disagree with is very much so in line with exactly what you'd expect of an "Ist" or a "phobe".

They just want to have a cry because it's being pointed out and labelled for what it is.

If Kever was complaining about the quality of the acting or the writing or the cinematography I don't think the "ist" or "phobe" label applies, but if your opposition to the content is solely based on some morality argument then it definitely does apply.

Disagreement isn't an 'ist' or a phobia mate. I've stated many times that I've no issues with the genuine trans community, it's the pervert contingent that essentially ruins it for them.

As soon as you can differentiate a predator using the law as easy access to womens spaces from a genuine dysphoria sufferer - the law should be changed. Other than that, womens safety should remain priority.

As for the 'coincidence' remark - you stated that it hurt his feelings to be accurately labelled. To accurately label a trans woman, ACCURATELY they are men masquerading as women - like it or not, that's accurate. That's what the debate revolves around, trans women believe they are 'real' women. They're not.

 

[d34noj]

Oh I follow you.

This is a ham fisted attempt to say your label for a person is accurate even if it's the one they don't choose for themselves?

Yes mate, it's not ham fisted - the only label you can change for yourself is your name.

You can ask for whatever pronouns you want - however if they don't coincide with your sex then you're essentially asking the other person to lie to make yourself feel good, the very definition of a narcissist.

 

[Efcjake]

Disagreement isn't an 'ist' or a phobia mate. I've stated many times that I've no issues with the genuine trans community, it's the pervert contingent that essentially ruins it for them.

As soon as you can differentiate a predator using the law as easy access to womens spaces from a genuine dysphoria sufferer - the law should be changed. Other than that, womens safety should remain priority.

As for the 'coincidence' remark - you stated that it hurt his feelings to be accurately labelled. To accurately label a trans woman, ACCURATELY they are men masquerading as women - like it or not, that's accurate. That's what the debate revolves around, trans women believe they are 'real' women. They're not.

Disagreement can absolutely make you an "ist" or phobic. It doesn't by default though.

Just because you are able to disagree and not hate or disparage doesn't mean others are.

As soon as you can differentiate a predator using the law as easy access to womens spaces from a genuine dysphoria sufferer - the law should be changed. Other than that, womens safety should remain priority.

Let's digest this a bit. First I'm not clear on what "law" we're discussing, is there one in particular you're referring to here? Not sure what context this is in.

Is there anything stopping a woman from assaulting another woman in a woman's space?

Women predators exist, don't they?

Has there been a statistically proven pattern of increasing predator assaults that lines up with the increasing access to gender affirming care?

Or is this simply just scaremongering?

I assume you have statistics evidencing that there has been a rise in assaults in women's spaces since gender affirming care became more accessible? That would be something that would lend some credibility to what appears to just be a completely baseless claim.

As for the 'coincidence' remark - you stated that it hurt his feelings to be accurately labelled. To accurately label a trans woman, ACCURATELY they are men masquerading as women - like it or not, that's accurate. That's what the debate revolves around, trans women believe they are 'real' women. They're not.

It's accurate if you only view gender through a lense of assigned sex at birth. That's not the only definition of gender though and we are also talking about self identification for these people.

They believe they are real women with their definition. They would like society to adopt this belief also. I don't think you're going to come around to accepting that gender and sex assigned at birth are two different concepts and that's ok. It's ok to hold a different set of beliefs to someone else.

If you want to shout that in the face of trans people rather than holding it as a private belief that would be when you're crossing the line into being an "ist" or "phobe".

If you want to treat them differently or worse because you don't agree with their choice or interpretation of gender not being tied to sex at birth then that makes you an "ist" or "phobe".

 

[Xizor]

Some people are typing awfully long paragraphs to say they're not arsed. At least they've all been rounded up in here finally.

"I need to reiterate to you people again, for the sixth time just this afternoon, just how much I don't care about this topic. Now let me be clear, I don't have any problems with trans people whatsoever, with the following commonplace exceptions: toilets, sports, and when I need to refer to them."

Proper dangers, at least they're all outed in here and can be safely ignored from here on out. I don't come to internet communities for regressive negativity, far too much in the news at the moment.

 

[Efcjake]

Yes mate, it's not ham fisted - the only label you can change for yourself is your name.

You can ask for whatever pronouns you want - however if they don't coincide with your sex then you're essentially asking the other person to lie to make yourself feel good, the very definition of a narcissist.

You can ask people to treat you the way you would like to be treated. Surely everyone has the right to ask for that.

You can't make other people treat you nicely though.

Even if, using your words, "you're essentially asking the other person to lie to make yourself feel good" what is the harm in that? What is the cost to you personally to entertain them and treat them the way they've asked to be treated?

What's the big deal?

 

[Efcjake]

"I need to reiterate to you people again, for the sixth time just this afternoon, just how much I don't care about this topic. Now let me be clear, I don't have any problems with trans people whatsoever, with the following commonplace exceptions: toilets, sports, and when I need to refer to them."

Proper dangers, at least they're all outed in here and can be safely ignored from here on out. I don't come to internet communities for regressive negativity, far too much in the news at the moment.

I just read the post were they claim they're not right wing, they just love Trump and hate the trans.

Very left wing.

 

[bluestevon]

You make a good point in referring to the historic plight of gay rights. Where was all this postmodern nonsense back in the 80’s when the LGB community actually had some really bad stuff to be dealing with?

The reason there were was no trans activism back then was because the trans community was considered to be part of the gay community, and I think this is correct. I don’t think that being an effeminate boy is an indicator that the little boy may actually be a little girl. He might be gay, he might not be, but he hasn’t acquired the ability to morph into the opposite sex. He remains an effeminate BOY.

The 1980’s LGB community were dealing with pure oppression and all kinds of other stuff, and my understanding is that they were saying ‘Let us be, and leave us alone”, which is more than fair enough. But this new ideology is fundamentally based on a distortion of reality that actually has massive consequences in society, and it’s an ideology that the authorities are literally insisting that you abide by… or else!

I do wonder with the current hot topic being all about trans and use tidying them young to 'help' them, just how many kids going through a phase sre getting almost locked into that phase by parents just trying to do what they think is best or by 'well meaning' professionals involved career wise in this field.
And how many of these kids who are confused without any involvement would simply end up realising they were in fact just gay or lesbian. But are now being told if you feel effeminate and not like the other boys you may be trans - and pushed towards something they in fact wouldn't have been.

 

[Kever10]

Well if you're not watching it because of those reasons only it probably makes you a phobe.

You decided you don't agree with it, you then chose that label for yourself.

"Wahhhhhh I wanna say I hate the trans and don't agree with it but don't dare call me an ist or a phobe even though I am acting in that exact manner. It hurts my feelings to be accurately labeled."

Thats the thing, i didnt even need to watch. The creator and actors came out before it was even released, gaslighting people and telling them not to watch, as for every one who decided not to, they will find 2 more who do. They were very clear on the agenda they had and what they wanted to achieve, and it has nothing to do with good storytelling, just meeting a DEI quota.

I actually stopped watching during the Peter Capaldi run, so before Jodie Whitaker, and from all accounts the quality has only gotten worse and worse from that point forward.

As for the new ones, i have mates who still watch and i read/watch plenty of reviews, and they were apparently just atrocious. Its gotten to the point where, clearly, keeping people entertained is at best, only secondary to delivering "The Message" and they don't care how much money they waste doing it.

Its kind of like not watching MOTD or Sky when they constantly [Poor language removed] on Everton and wank over Liverpool at every chance they get, like the way sky don't go to adverts so they can play the whole of you'll never walk alone before a game. They make it quite obvious which audience they are interested in keeping.

You can easily tell when a character is well written and inserted into a story organically, and when it's there to hit you over the head.

Imagine Everton signed the 1st female Goalkeeper to show how sound and progressive we are. I bet you would be made up losing 12-0 every week, just as long as we are doing our bit for society.

 

[bluestevon]

I do wonder with the current hot topic being all about trans and identifying them when young in order to best 'help' them, just how many kids going through a phase are getting almost locked into that phase by parents just trying to do what they think is best or by 'well meaning' professionals involved career wise in this field.
And how many of these kids who are confused without any involvement would simply end up realising they were in fact just gay or lesbian. But are now being told if you feel effeminate and not like the other boys you may be trans - and pushed towards something they in fact wouldn't have been.