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[bluestevon]

You can ask people to treat you the way you would like to be treated. Surely everyone has the right to ask for that.

Yes they most certainly do

You can't make other people treat you nicely though.

Tied up with the first part, I have a friend who is trans, I refer to her as her, why, because she is fully transitioned and I genuinely know she is one million percent convinced in what she is.

But if Sam Smith comes over to me and starts wanting me to use female pronouns or plural ones to address him, he can go f' himself genuinely.

That's why intrinsically have a problem with the pressure to 'have to' abide by whatever the person presenting says they want. And in many cases not doing so will come with real consequences for not doing so.

Even if, using your words, "you're essentially asking the other person to lie to make yourself feel good" what is the harm in that?

Asking I think is the key word, not demanding and certainly not enforcing it with the threat of real world consequences if you refuse

What is the cost to you personally to entertain them and treat them the way they've asked to be treated?

In a genuine case zero cost.
As a teacher if I have a 12yo lad telling me he wants to be referred to as they/them or her/she, and I know full well he's doing it because he knows I'd have to abide then yes that does personally effect me. Because by the next lesson you'll have every tit doing the same

What's the big deal?

That can be said about accepting anything just because the other person says so though - what's the harm in not agreeing the earth is flat to a flat earther if he believes it so strongly?

Could go into certain other what if situations to illustrate that little things do have a habit of adding up and becoming big things.

 

[Kever10]

As a teacher if I have a 12yo lad telling me he wants to be referred to as they/them or her/she, and I know full well he's doing it because he knows I'd have to abide then yes that does personally effect me. Because by the next lesson you'll have every tit doing the same

That would never happen though, and even if did, the percentage of kids who would do that is so miniscule.

Stop using logic you nazi bigot.

 

[Efcjake]

Thats the thing, i didnt even need to watch. The creator and actors came out before it was even released, gaslighting people and telling them not to watch, as for every one who decided not to, they will find 2 more who do. They were very clear on the agenda they had and what they wanted to achieve, and it has nothing to do with good storytelling, just meeting a DEI quota.

I actually stopped watching during the Peter Capaldi run, so before Jodie Whitaker, and from all accounts the quality has only gotten worse and worse from that point forward.

As for the new ones, i have mates who still watch and i read/watch plenty of reviews, and they were apparently just atrocious. Its gotten to the point where, clearly, keeping people entertained is at best, only secondary to delivering "The Message" and they don't care how much money they waste doing it.

Its kind of like not watching MOTD or Sky when they constantly [Poor language removed] on Everton and wank over Liverpool at every chance they get, like the way sky don't go to adverts so they can play the whole of you'll never walk alone before a game. They make it quite obvious which audience they are interested in keeping.

You can easily tell when a character is well written and inserted into a story organically, and when it's there to hit you over the head.

Imagine Everton signed the 1st female Goalkeeper to show how sound and progressive we are. I bet you would be made up losing 12-0 every week, just as long as we are doing our bit for society.

Didn't even watch it but going to dedicate time to attacking it online and you don't want to be called anything "ist" or "phobe".


If the shoe fits and it's on your foot.

 

[LostLegend]

You haven't been reading my posts if you think I am denying a trans person's right to exist.

I never accused you specifically, if you'd read my post etc.

I'm saying it's easy to talk about 'ideology' and the like, unless you know what most trans people go through on a daily basis. It does change your perspective and may cause you to rethink.

It's something to consider.

 

[bluestevon]

I never accused you specifically, if you'd read my post etc.

I'm saying it's easy to talk about 'ideology' and the like, unless you know what most trans people go through on a daily basis. It does change your perspective and may cause you to rethink.

It's something to consider.

I actually think there is very much sn ideological drive to this entire issue - it being in the public forum so to speak.

I also think those people who are genuinely trans are very much not the drivers of that ideology and in most cases don't really want to be involved with the media spotlight it brings.

 

[Kever10]

Didn't even watch it but going to dedicate time to attacking it online and you don't want to be called anything "ist" or "phobe".


If the shoe fits and it's on your foot.

I didn't even bring it up, someone else did. I just said it was a good example.

I have no problem with how someone chooses to live their life as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. The point that was being made was live and let live. Not live and do as we say or else.

If someone decides they are going to Transition, that is up to them. But its a completely personal choice, and it doesnt mean everyone has to fall in line with their way of thinking.

What is your take on public smoking?

 

[LostLegend]

I actually think there is very much sn ideological drive to this entire issue - it being in the public forum so to speak.

I also think those people who are genuinely trans are very much not the drivers of that ideology and in most cases don't really want to be involved with the media spotlight it brings.

I think there's definitely a argument to be made about for the people caught in the middle of this argument - which was kind of my point here.

I've spoke on here before about my friend who came out as trans about 5 years ago and when I asked her opinion about the 'bathroom debate', her response was that if you are out for the evening somewhere both options are a night mare. Go in the men's room and you get the snide comments the "would you, lad? How many pints?" and the like. The women's bathroom is even worse with open hostility and even threats of violence. She often just ends up going home if there's not a safe or unisex bathroom available. Which is a a kinda depressing way to have to plan your night out.

It's why I ask people if they know or are friends with any trans people. I have a million and one horror stories from both this friend and another who is not trans, but has a 16yo trans daughter. It can really challenge your opinions on trans issues.

 

[LostLegend]

I have no problem with how someone chooses to live their life as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. The point that was being made was live and let live. Not live and do as we say or else.

If someone decides they are going to Transition, that is up to them. But its a completely personal choice, and it doesnt mean everyone has to fall in line with their way of thinking.

What is your take on public smoking?

There it is, the stupidest take in this thread.
The makers of those rage-bait youtube videos you get all your hot-takes from would be proud.

 

[Efcjake]

But if Sam Smith comes over to me and starts wanting me to use female pronouns or plural ones to address him, he can go f' himself genuinely.

Why though?

That's why intrinsically have a problem with the pressure to 'have to' abide by whatever the person presenting says they want. And in many cases not doing so will come with real consequences for not doing so.

Asking I think is the key word, not demanding and certainly not enforcing it with the threat of real world consequences if you refuse

I think the community for the most part is asking for cooperation and support in being identified as they would prefer.

What are these real world consequences of refusing you're referring to? People having a go at you?

Is this happening to those who are magically both able to hold a different view and also not spout off about their opposition constantly in the faces of those they're opposed to?

I would imagine if you kept an opposing view point either quiet or respectful that would be less likely to happen. Is it people attacking others just for disagreeing or is people attacking others in response to being attacked for their views?

In a genuine case zero cost.

As a teacher if I have a 12yo lad telling me he wants to be referred to as they/them or her/she, and I know full well he's doing it because he knows I'd have to abide then yes that does personally effect me. Because by the next lesson you'll have every tit doing the same

That can be said about accepting anything just because the other person says so though - what's the harm in not agreeing the earth is flat to a flat earther if he believes it so strongly?

Could go into certain other what if situations to illustrate that little things do have a habit of adding up and becoming big things.

So because a teacher can't control their class of unruly students these people shouldn't be treated how they're asking to be treated?

No, I've no sympathy for a teacher who can't get control of their class. They're probably absolutely crap at their job. Blaming unruly students and pronouns would just be an excuse for poor performance.

There are definitely some dangers to just allowing anything to be accepted carte blanche. In your flat earth example taken to the extreme that would be the end of satellite and planes. Don't see the same happening on this issue of people asking to be referred to individually how they would like to be.

 

[Efcjake]

I didn't even bring it up, someone else did. I just said it was a good example.

I have no problem with how someone chooses to live their life as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. The point that was being made was live and let live. Not live and do as we say or else.

If someone decides they are going to Transition, that is up to them. But its a completely personal choice, and it doesnt mean everyone has to fall in line with their way of thinking.

What is your take on public smoking?

Who's this "we" in the "do as we say or else?"

 

[bluestevon]

I think there's definitely a argument to be made about for the people caught in the middle of this argument - which was kind of my point here.

I've spoke on here before about my friend who came out as trans about 5 years ago and when I asked her opinion about the 'bathroom debate', her response was that if you are out for the evening somewhere both options are a night mare. Go in the men's room and you get the snide comments the "would you, lad? How many pints?" and the like. The women's bathroom is even worse with open hostility and even threats of violence. She often just ends up going home if there's not a safe or unisex bathroom available. Which is a a kinda depressing way to have to plan your night out.

It's why I ask people if they know or are friends with any trans people. I have a million and one horror stories from both this friend and another who is not trans, but has a 16yo trans daughter. It can really challenge your opinions on trans issues.

The story isn't at all unfamiliar to me (using the disabled toilet if available was the 'godsend' option I was told - which is kind of sad it cone to that) although never read your posts about the friend, but assumed you did have a close connection to someone who had.

The entire issue imo has been done no favours by the publicity - the amount thereof I mean, to the actual people it really matters to the most, those caught in it being their life - not some way to score political points or to virtue signal or vent bile.

I'll agree on my accounts on your friends stories btw, lot of guys don't see it past 'the local tranny' lot of women see it as a bloke invading their space - neither are right but it's how to move past that point now ..

 

[Kever10]

There it is, the stupidest take in this thread.
The makers of those rage-bait youtube videos you get all your hot-takes from would be proud.

Ok, how about, instead of just going down the ad hominem route, as per, you can explain to me and everyone else who doesnt understand, how its the stupidest take. Tell me what it is I said, specifically in the comment you replied to, that was so stupid.

This is an opportunity for you to teach instead of being an angry, virtue signalling, know it all, like people have previously pointed out.

 

[Kever10]

Who's this "we" in the "do as we say or else?"

The people who are doing the virtue signalling.

Which oddly enough, and as has already been highlighted, is very rarely from the actual Trans community.

 

[LostLegend]

Ok, how about, instead of just going down the ad hominem route, as per, you can explain to me and everyone else who doesnt understand, how its the stupidest take. Tell me what it is I said, specifically in the comment you replied to, that was so stupid.

This is an opportunity for you to teach instead of being an angry, virtue signalling, know it all, like people have previously pointed out.

What is your take on public smoking?

There it is right there. You thought this was a set-up to some sort of big own didn't you?


virtue signalling
noun
derogatory
The public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

I've already stated why I hold my opinions on the issue. Due to having friends who are trans I understand and emphathise with the problems they face on a daily basis.
Also, as a gay man myself, I know what it is like first hand to face discrimination from braindead chuds like yourself.

I am not 'virtue signaling', I am showing support for people who need it based upon my own real life experiences.
Please learn that these edge-lord phrases actually mean before throwing them around.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

There it is right there. You thought this was a set-up to some sort of big own didn't you?


virtue signalling
noun
derogatory
The public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

I've already stated why I hold my opinions on the issue. Due to having friends who are trans I understand and emphathise with the problems they face on a daily basis.
Also, as a gay man myself, I know what it is like first hand to face discrimination from braindead chuds like yourself.

I am not 'virtue signaling', I am showing support for people who need it based upon my own real life experiences.
Please learn that these edge-lord phrases actually mean before throwing them around.

Mate, I wouldn’t bother. This bloke thinks Trump had the 2020 election stolen from him, and has just claimed all us wokes would be made up if Everton signed a woman goalkeeper and we got beat 12-0 every game. You can’t argue with someone as deranged as this.