my memory is not that great but is it possible that arya could use little fingers face to get into kings landing to kill cersei or is he deemed an enemy to the Lannisters?
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Efcjake
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I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be too friendly to him considering he jibbed them off for the Vale, was keeping Sansa hidden from them, married Sansa to the Boltons who had betrayed the Lannisters, then brought the Knights of the Vale to save the day in the Battle of the Bastards and help crown a new King of the North. No I don't think they'd be too happy to see him.
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Quite liked that finale. The dragon bringing down the wall was quite a scene (very hollywood-ish though). Still annoyed they even have a dragon though.
The Jon Snow revelation no longer seems like something we want him to know about. Not to mention Aunt/Nephew banging is even weirder than brother/sister ffs. But that kind of weirdness is why I like GoT so its ok in my book.
The wait for season 8 is gonna be long.
edit: also, Theon Greyjoy put up a better fight than Conor McGregor.
The Jon Snow revelation no longer seems like something we want him to know about. Not to mention Aunt/Nephew banging is even weirder than brother/sister ffs. But that kind of weirdness is why I like GoT so its ok in my book.
The wait for season 8 is gonna be long.
edit: also, Theon Greyjoy put up a better fight than Conor McGregor.
Lots of people think the Night King has the same powers as Bran/is Bran so that would explain how he knew about the dragons. Also explains why they had the massive chains with them.
Littlefinger starts to fight back but then Bran destroys any arguments by revealing what had happened with Ned. He also admitted to killing Lysa and obviously Sansa knew about him marrying her to Ramsey/turning her against Arya. He didn't have a leg to stand on.
Littlefinger starts to fight back but then Bran destroys any arguments by revealing what had happened with Ned. He also admitted to killing Lysa and obviously Sansa knew about him marrying her to Ramsey/turning her against Arya. He didn't have a leg to stand on.
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The whole story is littered with far worse relationships than that of Jon 'Aegon Stark-Targaryen' Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.
A lot of people are judging Jon and Daenerys based on modern western views about inter/intra family marriage. These views do not exist in this world. This has been shown time and again on screen.
The whole series is about how Jon '[Poor language removed] son' Snow and orphan-Daenerys 'sold off to the Dothraki horde' have basically fought and clawed their way back to existence and meaningful power following their families destruction.
Much like the Targaryens and the Starks as a whole. Having been all but destroyed.
Having to band together to defeat a common enemy. There is some symmetry both in how they have developed but also they compliment each other. Daenerys is headstrong and more likely to fight first ask questions later. Snow more likely to negotiate then fight if he has to.
It unites two powerful kingdoms together. It rights the wrong of Rhaegar - Lyanna.
There is also divine intervention at play as well. Potentially that which destroyed Rhaegar - Lyanna in the first place and/or the Starks & Targeryns houses.
Its about death and rebirth. Much like the War of the Roses.
Also about how the Starks and Targaryens compliment each other very well. The Starks get more powerful in Winter as an illustration by their reemergence. This point has not been emphasised on screen. But for instance they dismissed the Tyrell army as 'children of summer' early in the series that simply wouldn't survive in the Winter-North.
Think Season 8 is going to be a roller coaster.
A big question-mark is about the Sand Snakes of Dorne and/or Yara and the Ironborn. Neither of which is actually 'on screen dead'.
Plus the Golden Company on their way from Essos. The Golden Company is a genuine threat. Yet to be shown on screen.
A big thing is about how they never break a contract.
Cersei has once again shown herself to be the most ruthless person alive.
These types of people usually have a spectacular fall. In real and fictional histories.
Live by the sword. Die by the sword.
The biggest questionmark is what is Tyrion Lannister up to. What did he say to Cersei to agree. Does he know of her betrayal?
What are his motivations. He seemed earlier in the season to actually be promoting a union of Daenerys and Jon Snow. For political and other reasons.
A lot of people are judging Jon and Daenerys based on modern western views about inter/intra family marriage. These views do not exist in this world. This has been shown time and again on screen.
The whole series is about how Jon '[Poor language removed] son' Snow and orphan-Daenerys 'sold off to the Dothraki horde' have basically fought and clawed their way back to existence and meaningful power following their families destruction.
Much like the Targaryens and the Starks as a whole. Having been all but destroyed.
Having to band together to defeat a common enemy. There is some symmetry both in how they have developed but also they compliment each other. Daenerys is headstrong and more likely to fight first ask questions later. Snow more likely to negotiate then fight if he has to.
It unites two powerful kingdoms together. It rights the wrong of Rhaegar - Lyanna.
There is also divine intervention at play as well. Potentially that which destroyed Rhaegar - Lyanna in the first place and/or the Starks & Targeryns houses.
Its about death and rebirth. Much like the War of the Roses.
Also about how the Starks and Targaryens compliment each other very well. The Starks get more powerful in Winter as an illustration by their reemergence. This point has not been emphasised on screen. But for instance they dismissed the Tyrell army as 'children of summer' early in the series that simply wouldn't survive in the Winter-North.
Think Season 8 is going to be a roller coaster.
A big question-mark is about the Sand Snakes of Dorne and/or Yara and the Ironborn. Neither of which is actually 'on screen dead'.
Plus the Golden Company on their way from Essos. The Golden Company is a genuine threat. Yet to be shown on screen.
A big thing is about how they never break a contract.
Cersei has once again shown herself to be the most ruthless person alive.
These types of people usually have a spectacular fall. In real and fictional histories.
Live by the sword. Die by the sword.
The biggest questionmark is what is Tyrion Lannister up to. What did he say to Cersei to agree. Does he know of her betrayal?
What are his motivations. He seemed earlier in the season to actually be promoting a union of Daenerys and Jon Snow. For political and other reasons.
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Bran can't see the future, he can see the past through the weirwood.net and the present through his ravens. So whether Bran is him or not, that still doesn't explain how the NK just knew the dragons were going to come save the day. The massive chains were apparently pulled off of the ship in the frozen lake they were on which you can see during the episode (though I still have issues working that one out, why is such a big ship on lake north of the wall??). Bran speaking up about what Littlefinger said to Ned shouldn't matter a fig because nobody else was around to hear him say it and Bran can't prove anything. He admitted to killing Lysa but you have to ask yourself why he would do that considering he got away with it and there is zero proof, just Sansa's word. He had plenty of legs to stand on but he didn't even attempt to play his way out of it. I was shocked that he just accepted it and decided to admit to Lysa's death, it was all very out of character for the scheming Littlefinger.
He can't see the future but he can have knowledge of the dragons. It may not have been a planned trap but he can still be prepared for the possibility that the dragons could be coming. Especially if he has seen that Jon and Danaerys have allied and knowing of Jon's knowledge of the White Walkers.
As for Littlefinger I agree it is out of character for him to be blindsided but I don't have a problem with that scene at all. His main focus has been manipulating Sansa and hoping she falls in love with him. He thought he was winning in that respect and then got screwed. He admitted to Lysa's death as he said he did it for Sansa, another play for her affections. At that point he has lost the Knights of the Vale. Bran knows the truth about everything and Littlefinger knows this as we saw in a previous episode with the "chaos is a ladder" scene. I stand by my point that he didn't have a leg to stand on but that is just my opinion.
As for Littlefinger I agree it is out of character for him to be blindsided but I don't have a problem with that scene at all. His main focus has been manipulating Sansa and hoping she falls in love with him. He thought he was winning in that respect and then got screwed. He admitted to Lysa's death as he said he did it for Sansa, another play for her affections. At that point he has lost the Knights of the Vale. Bran knows the truth about everything and Littlefinger knows this as we saw in a previous episode with the "chaos is a ladder" scene. I stand by my point that he didn't have a leg to stand on but that is just my opinion.
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The thing that Littlefinger did not count on and duplicity never works with someone like the Three Eyed Raven Bran.
He can literally see everything that happened in history if he wishes to.
Littlefinger did not realise or they may not of told him that Bran is able to do these things.
Thats why he was blindsided and so shocked when Sansa turned the tables on him. He was so focused on Sansa and Arya's threat he neglected to see the threat of Bran.
He can literally see everything that happened in history if he wishes to.
Littlefinger did not realise or they may not of told him that Bran is able to do these things.
Thats why he was blindsided and so shocked when Sansa turned the tables on him. He was so focused on Sansa and Arya's threat he neglected to see the threat of Bran.
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How's he going to know about the Dragons if he can't see the future and they've never been beyond the wall before? That's the plot hole. "Prepared for the possibility of dragons coming" I mean you're reaching there and that just goes to show you that they didn't offer any sort of reasonable explanation for why that would be the case in the show. How's he supposed to have "seen' that Jon and Danaerys are allied? How could he possibly know that?? There's not been much to show he has a clue who John is other than someone who is alive and not part of their army of the dead, they've not had any real sort of interaction/communication.
You don't have a problem with the show having it written that Littlefinger is the only one in the hall who seemingly was unaware of what was about to happen to him and that Arya was a fake-out? This is the fella who 5 episodes before was telling Sansa that she needs to picture and address every possibility so that she is never surprised but he couldn't possibly conceive the possibility that he'd cocked up with his scheming between the Stark sisters? I don't care why he admitted he killed Lysa, there was no solid proof that he had done it and so book Littlefinger would have actively tried to sow as much doubt as he could in the people witnessing that event to save himself rather than just admit to it. He's lost the Knights of the Vale when he admits to her death and not before it and he's smart enough to know that and that's enough motivation not to admit to her murder. Just because Bran knows the truth doesn't mean that carries any weight. Bran is just some crippled and traumatized kid who saw too much north of the wall and claims to see things as far as everyone outside of the Starks and Meera is concerned. I don't recall the show presenting us with some scene where the wider population at Winterfell accepted Bran's powers for what they are, or even acknowledged them. They know something isn't right because he isn't taking his rightful seat as Lord Stark of Winterfell, instead he's absconded in favour of Lady Sansa.
You don't have a problem with the show having it written that Littlefinger is the only one in the hall who seemingly was unaware of what was about to happen to him and that Arya was a fake-out? This is the fella who 5 episodes before was telling Sansa that she needs to picture and address every possibility so that she is never surprised but he couldn't possibly conceive the possibility that he'd cocked up with his scheming between the Stark sisters? I don't care why he admitted he killed Lysa, there was no solid proof that he had done it and so book Littlefinger would have actively tried to sow as much doubt as he could in the people witnessing that event to save himself rather than just admit to it. He's lost the Knights of the Vale when he admits to her death and not before it and he's smart enough to know that and that's enough motivation not to admit to her murder. Just because Bran knows the truth doesn't mean that carries any weight. Bran is just some crippled and traumatized kid who saw too much north of the wall and claims to see things as far as everyone outside of the Starks and Meera is concerned. I don't recall the show presenting us with some scene where the wider population at Winterfell accepted Bran's powers for what they are, or even acknowledged them. They know something isn't right because he isn't taking his rightful seat as Lord Stark of Winterfell, instead he's absconded in favour of Lady Sansa.
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Does the NK know from people he turns? The Wildlings seemed to know of the existence of dragons. He took over a 100,000 Wildlings at Hardhome.
The other thing about Littlefinger. He's a court politician. What does he know of Dragons or the ability to see everything in the past or Greensee. Nothing.
The other thing about Littlefinger. He's a court politician. What does he know of Dragons or the ability to see everything in the past or Greensee. Nothing.
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There's no basis for the NK having that ability in either the show or book canon. When did the Wildlings mention the dragons? In the books there are rumors of the dragons which travel by way of the sailors of Essos who heard tales of Danaerys earlier on before she comes to Westeros.
Littlefinger doesn't need to know about the dragons or greenseers to know that it was a better choice to deny complicity than to admit to it.
Littlefinger doesn't need to know about the dragons or greenseers to know that it was a better choice to deny complicity than to admit to it.
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The thing that the show never really covered off to explain that is Bran showing off his powers to the common folk in the hall who all accept he can see the past and isn't chatting wham.
Why should Littlefinger give a toss what he says if the only proof is Bran and Sansa's word?
Why should Littlefinger give a toss what he says if the only proof is Bran and Sansa's word?
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