Game Of Thrones Television series *may contain spoilers*

[DanEFC92]

Remember when Ramsay Bolton only needed 20 good men to wreck Stannis Baratheon's army?

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And then about a dozen of them got slaughtered by Deus Ex Machina Brienne and Podrick!

Yup - Tyrion's weak gag about Varys' lack of todger was like something that would have been shouted by a character credited as "Unfunny Drunken Lout #1" in earlier seasons.
And Sansa - The writing was seeing her develop under Littlefingers influence into a woman who knows the value of cunning and deceit and jumping from a high castle wall into the snow drifts. The S6 premiere saw her terrified of some cold water.

Going back to Littlefinger, why would he give her over to the Boltons in the first place? The character has been several steps ahead of everyone since the very beginning and yet was completely oblivious to how much of a psycho Ramsey was, and how awful the Boltons are in general. Was that in the books or another D&D invention?

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Kiwi]

Going back to Littlefinger, why would he give her over to the Boltons in the first place? The character has been several steps ahead of everyone since the very beginning and yet was completely oblivious to how much of a psycho Ramsey was, and how awful the Boltons are in general. Was that in the books or another D&D invention?

I don't think he did, from memory the Boltons had a fake Arya that Ramsey married. Could be wrong though

 

[Garrick]

I think this point sticks out for me, I mentioned somewhere else that in the first 3/4 series, there were some great scenes that did little to advance the plot, but did huge amounts for character development, they have totally vanished from the writing, and any spare time was used for dialogue that seemed to be there to remind the viewer of what had previously happened, it's all gotten a little bit lazy for me

There's an unsustainable number of story arcs going on right now. Let's count.

1. The Wall/Davos/Melisandre
2. Dornish insurrection (for simplicity's sake, we'll assume that Cersei and Jaimie will be involved and aren't on their own arc, but that isn't confirmed quite yet.)
3. Bran and Hodor
4. Tyrion and Varys in Meereen
5. Dani with the Dothraki
6. Jorah and dreamboat looking for Dani
7. Sansa, Theon, Brienne, and Podrick
8. Arya

That's a lot to manage in an hour long show. Too much. As you said, the show is kinda losing some magic. And there are no obvious deaths left at this point, every character has been around too long for it to make much sense.

 

[Kiwi]

There's an unsustainable number of story arcs going on right now. Let's count.

1. The Wall/Davos/Melisandre
2. Dornish insurrection (for simplicity's sake, we'll assume that Cersei and Jaimie will be involved and aren't on their own arc, but that isn't confirmed quite yet.)
3. Bran and Hodor
4. Tyrion and Varys in Meereen
5. Dani with the Dothraki
6. Jorah and dreamboat looking for Dani
7. Sansa, Theon, Brienne, and Podrick
8. Arya

That's a lot to manage in an hour long show. Too much. As you said, the show is kinda losing some magic. And there are no obvious deaths left at this point, every character has been around too long for it to make much sense.

There's also the Kingslanding/Tyrells/High Sparrow/Lannister arch as well.
For me they just need to not cover some of those every week, instead covering them every 2 in 3, but in more depth say 10-15 minutes.

 

[tsubaki]

Going back to Littlefinger, why would he give her over to the Boltons in the first place? The character has been several steps ahead of everyone since the very beginning and yet was completely oblivious to how much of a psycho Ramsey was, and how awful the Boltons are in general. Was that in the books or another D&D invention?

That bit of Sansa's story is basically Jayne Poole's (Sansa's handmaid who both Littlefinger and the Boltons pretend is Arya) story in the books; in them Littlefinger gives her to the Boltons, she escapes by jumping off the wall with Theon and then makes her way (via Stannis) to Castle Black.

 

[USABlue]

I don't think he did, from memory the Boltons had a fake Arya that Ramsey married. Could be wrong though

Yeah in the books him and sansa are still in the Vale. the lannisters,boltons and littlefinger were passing sansas friend, jeyne poole, from winterfell as arya.

 

[Walken]

That bit of Sansa's story is basically Jayne Poole's (Sansa's handmaid who both Littlefinger and the Boltons pretend is Arya) story in the books; in them Littlefinger gives her to the Boltons, she escapes by jumping off the wall with Theon and then makes her way (via Stannis) to Castle Black.

and now they give the credit to that big moron brienne, sickens me

 

[Kiwi]

and now they give the credit to that big moron brienne, sickens me

#Female empowerment

 

[Walken]

#Female empowerment

lazy writing that actually pays just lip service to femimism, but doesn't have the inclination or ability to actually create a three dimensional female character, see sand snakes for further evidence

 

[TheFinnFan]

Red woman looked quite grim

 

[Kiwi]

lazy writing that actually pays just lip service to femimism, but doesn't have the inclination or ability to actually create a three dimensional female character, see sand snakes for further evidence

I don't understand the argument that was being made that GOT was antifemale in any case.
Strong leading female who's likely to rule it all in Daenaerys. Cersei running the kingdom for Joffrey. Lysa Arryn ruling as regent. A lady knight.
Rape and brutality towards woman who are in reality second class citizens e.t.c are hallmarks of the social structure in the middle ages and historically accurate.

Women are portrayed as quite strong and independent, more so than perhaps was a reality in the historical period the show parallels.

 

[Ashtonian]

There's an unsustainable number of story arcs going on right now. Let's count.

1. The Wall/Davos/Melisandre
2. Dornish insurrection (for simplicity's sake, we'll assume that Cersei and Jaimie will be involved and aren't on their own arc, but that isn't confirmed quite yet.)
3. Bran and Hodor
4. Tyrion and Varys in Meereen
5. Dani with the Dothraki
6. Jorah and dreamboat looking for Dani
7. Sansa, Theon, Brienne, and Podrick
8. Arya

That's a lot to manage in an hour long show. Too much. As you said, the show is kinda losing some magic. And there are no obvious deaths left at this point, every character has been around too long for it to make much sense.

Add onto that list Sam and gilly, the tarly family are in it, the grey joys and iron islands stuff from book are in it also.

I would imagine they are going to have to rush some storyline through to prevent them dragging on. Araya us staying blind for a while, she won't move on until next season I don't think. Dany will probably not do much yet again other than consolidate with tyrion in mereen.

But the Lancaster have two story arcs to both include, stansa needs a new arc, John snows new plot needs to start, there us so much that 9 episodes won't be able to contain. I worry that the series will just turn into a nothing one, few shiney things happen but ultimately just go nowhere great.

Oh and a prediction, Ramsey will kill Roose by the end of the series.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Going back to Littlefinger, why would he give her over to the Boltons in the first place? The character has been several steps ahead of everyone since the very beginning and yet was completely oblivious to how much of a psycho Ramsey was, and how awful the Boltons are in general. Was that in the books or another D&D invention?

I can see why Littlefinger would do that. He knows that the Boltons marrying a Stark would be seen as a betrayal by the Lannisters who do not want a Stark anywhere near Winterfell. And he definitely doesn't care if Sansa is mistreated or even murdered by Ramsay Bolton - that just causes more ructions for him to play off.

Littlefinger plays the houses off against each other and watches them weaken each other while strengthening his own place. If everyones kicking off then he could probably get a good deal for sending the forces of the Vale to help.

 

[Donald Twain]

You heard.

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Disgusting ! I assumed you had more honour Ser!