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[dholliday]

Point being, re Trump, he certainly must have broke the Twitter Ts and Cs there. But they turned a blind eye. If there was some Big Tech agenda to silence prominent right wing voices, Trump gave them ample opportunity on many occasions to pull the trigger, but they didn’t. Until the bitter end.

Also fair point. Tho' there was a wave of bannings around the time of his election loss: Sidney Powell, the Flynns, many more. One who deffo deserved a banning was a certain Lin Wood, who was posting the most insane stuff I've ever seen on a mainstream platform.

Haha it's really not exciting. Since Covid shut down the live music venues I've had to take some part time work doing night time security at a partially demolished power station. Nobody onsite apart from me and a mob of kangaroos setting off motion sensors and damaging fencing. Oh, and the occasional meth head breaking in to steal copper wiring! Most of the time I get paid to read/watch Netflix/post on here.

I feel that, thump-lad. Also lost revenue due to that same issue, took an IT job for now.

Good luck that you can get back to it! The world needs live music, and events generally.

They aren't but, unlike me, they know better than to go down this rabbit hole. It's good to have you back D, but I'll be ignoring your daily wire cut and paste jobs and your attempts to intellectualise Trump. See you on the Everton forum

I've never watched/read Daily Wire. I don't follow Ben Shapiro. He's said some awful things about Palestine, and the way he talks is nails-on-blackboard.

I don't cut/paste anything. All my own words.

When I'm on conservative forums, my views on things like Corbyn, Palestine, Qanon, police-brutality and myriad others tend to rattle some up too. I don't think I can be put into an alt-right label.

There's a political compass test out there, I scored slightly left-of-centre.

There is a growing consensus that what we previously considered the Left is now the Centre: there are many who feel traditionally liberal/leftie but don't get on with any of this woke stuff.

 

[Prevenger17]

There's a political compass test out there, I scored slightly left-of-centre.

Ffs D, a political compass test. Come back to reality, none of it means anything

 

[dholliday]

Ffs D, a political compass test. Come back to reality, none of it means anything

oh Hey i was only curious

ThAnKs tEd

 

[Prevenger17]

ThAnKs tEd

Ok, now we are going to have a fight

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Also fair point. Tho' there was a wave of bannings around the time of his election loss: Sidney Powell, the Flynns, many more. One who deffo deserved a banning was a certain Lin Wood, who was posting the most insane stuff I've ever seen on a mainstream platform.



I feel that, thump-lad. Also lost revenue due to that same issue, took an IT job for now.

Good luck that you can get back to it! The world needs live music, and events generally.



I've never watched/read Daily Wire. I don't follow Ben Shapiro. He's said some awful things about Palestine, and the way he talks is nails-on-blackboard.

I don't cut/paste anything. All my own words.

When I'm on conservative forums, my views on things like Corbyn, Palestine, Qanon, police-brutality and myriad others tend to rattle some up too. I don't think I can be put into an alt-right label.

There's a political compass test out there, I scored slightly left-of-centre.

There is a growing consensus that what we previously considered the Left is now the Centre: there are many who feel traditionally liberal/leftie but don't get on with any of this woke stuff.

Thats a good point - many people say the UK society has moved to the centre ground in politics whereas I dont think anyone has technically moved anywhere, the right has largely stayed as it is its more the old traditional left itself is now bunched in with the centrists by the new breed of far left millennial cryarses who claim anyone who doesn't subscribe to their nonsense is a Tory baby eater.

 

[dead_soft]

It's the very definition of people-power, for they vote. Ok, Trump lost now, but he still gained 13m more votes than 2020.

The people reject Woke. The Establishment embrace it.

This is clear to any halfway-objective observer.

The booing of bending the knee at England matches should be a further clue.

The literal establishment Prime Minister in both birth, career, and now position, Boris Johnson has implicitly defended the booing. As have members of his party. You refuse to see anything because you want so much for the 'woke' to have power. And if you are too blind to see why Woke has been chosen as a pejorative term, and then why you are embracing it as one, then there really is limited point to talking to you.

 

[dead_soft]

There is a growing consensus that what we previously considered the Left is now the Centre: there are many who feel traditionally liberal/leftie but don't get on with any of this woke stuff.

Maybe if you're reading some incredibly out dated political theory it is

 

[dholliday]

Thats a good point - many people say the UK society has moved to the centre ground in politics whereas I dont think anyone has technically moved anywhere, the right has largely stayed as it is its more the old traditional left itself is now bunched in with the centrists by the new breed of far left millennial cryarses who claim anyone who doesn't subscribe to their nonsense is a Tory baby eater.

one can be polite about it, or one can use colourful language to describe it. either way...bang on, like!

 

[dead_soft]

one can be polite about it, or one can use colourful language to describe it. either way...bang on, like!

Is it bang on? Or are the cry arses those who are conflating discrete events in to one social theory of 'cancel culture'?

If I have followed you, and God knows it's hard when I'm not sure you can even follow yourself, you believe in the following

1. Cancel Culture exists
2. It is having a negative demonstrable impact on Western society
3. It is the beginning of a low march into fascism lead by 'The Left'
4. Cancel Culture is the reason the left are losing elections
5. The right wing are the ones who are being cancelled and denied freedom of speech
6. We should all be worried that 'they' might come for us

Have I missed anything? Do you have any solid argument or evidence for any of this outside a cricketer getting investigated for racism?

Is there a creed for the Cancel Culture? Or a leadership?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thats a good point

I have a feeling this is not true.

 

[dholliday]

Have I missed anything? Do you have any solid argument or evidence for any of this outside a cricketer getting investigated for racism?

crikey...

A light is still a light...even though the blind man cannot see it.

 

[dead_soft]

crikey...

A light is still a light...even though the blind man cannot see it.

Sorry, not sure I get what you're saying here?

 

[dead_soft]

Interesting article from Five Thirty Eight on 'Cancel Culture' that I was alerted to by 'You're Wrong About'

Why Attacking ‘Cancel Culture’ And ‘Woke’ People Is Becoming The GOP’s New Political Strategy

This is the second in a two-part series on the ideas related to race, status and equality influencing the current political divides in America, you can find par…

fivethirtyeight.com

But there is no agreed-upon definition of “woke” or a formal political organization or movement associated with it. Nor is there an exact definition of what constitutes being “canceled” or a victim of “cancel culture.” However, despite their vagueness, you now see conservative activists and Republican politicians constantly using these terms. That’s because that vagueness is a feature, not a bug. Casting a really wide range of ideas and policies as too woke and anyone who is critical of them as being canceled by out-of-control liberals is becoming an important strategy and tool on the right — in fact, this cancel culture/woke discourse could become the organizing idea of the post-Trump-presidency Republican Party.

There are at least five reasons why Republicans are likely to keep focusing on the woke and cancel culture over the next few years:

First and perhaps most important, focusing on cancel culture and woke people is a fairly easy strategy for the GOP to execute, because in many ways it’s just a repackaging of the party’s long-standing backlash approach. For decades, Republicans have used somewhat vague terms (“dog whistles”) to tap into and foment resentment against traditionally marginalized groups like Black Americans who are pushing for more rights and freedoms. This resentment is then used to woo voters (mostly white) wary of cultural, demographic and racial change.

and one of the more important ideas that I believe is touched on in this thread

Fourth, this anti-woke posture gives conservative activists and Republican officials a way to excuse extreme behavior in the past and potentially rationalize such behavior in the future. Republicans are trying to recast the removal of Trump’s accounts from Facebook and Twitter as a narrative of liberal tech companies silencing a prominent conservative, instead of those platforms punishing Trump for using them to incite violence and encourage overturning the election results. If Republicans suppress Democratic votes or try to overturn election results in future elections, as seems entirely possible, the party is likely to justify that behavior in part by suggesting the Democrats are just too extreme and woke to be allowed to control the government. The argument would be that Democrats would eliminate police departments and allow crime to surge if they have more power, so they must be stopped at all costs. Polls suggest a huge bloc of GOP voters is already open to such apocalyptic rhetoric.

 

[dholliday]

Sorry, not sure I get what you're saying here?

precisely.

 

[dead_soft]

precisely.

Interesting that you got so upset about someone not engaging with your points and yet when I've laid out what I believe yours to be you won't engage.

I think the phrase is 'check mate'

By the way, 'check mate' was a phrase popularised by a game called chess. It's a very historic game but quite cerebral so I'm not sure you'll get it