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[ste d' indica]

Nice to see this place being somewhere of peace and harmony while I’ve been away...

You know how much you and I have disagreed in the past? I've had to figure out how to use the ignore function for the first time today. Make of that what you will.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Quilette and the Daily Express are sources of analysis now?

Christ.

He was quoting the Daily Mail comments section as a 'reputable source' the other day lol

 

[dead_soft]

Quilette and the Daily Express are sources of analysis now?

Christ.

Apparently you need to listen to those or you don't understand the average British person

 

[dholliday]

Quilette and the Daily Express are sources of analysis now?

Christ.

Nice to see this place being somewhere of peace and harmony while I’ve been away...

You know how much you and I have disagreed in the past? I've had to figure out how to use the ignore function for the first time today. Make of that what you will.

He was quoting the Daily Mail comments section as a 'reputable source' the other day lol

The usual, Pete. They attack the messenger because they daren't consider the message.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Which is the thing here - we are being presented with these things in order that we get offended, even though (as you say) exactly the same behaviour does not get presented as a unique disgrace when its done by someone else. There is loads of recent history of hacks trawling through social media posts in order to highlight segments (often unrepresentative segments) whatever they want to slate about a person, as we’ve all seen.

What this cricketer did was what many teenagers do, as in say or do something stupid that they later regret. Yet it’s the people who are most responsible for not forgetting (indeed actively monetising) the sins of others who are now monetising this outrage?

I hope he doesn’t lose his place over this, but the pricks who are springing to his defence for something they are serially guilty of should be put in the bin.

Will be found guilty however, time already served as in being dropped will be the punishment. Indeed keeps Boris and Dowden and crew not talking about Pitchfork or yet another appalling findings into NHS morale etc. Politics for the innate stupid.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yes but, but no but, to free speech.

 

[Amw79]

In today’s instalment of the phoney culture war/free speech/woke brigade/snowflake agenda, I give you - students taking down a pic of the queen.

Pick a side. Fight amongst yourselves. Have at it. (Don’t look at any other issues like the government being found guilty of squirrelling more tax payer money to their mates).

Then we can all look forward to tomorrow’s vitally important culture war topic.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Tubey]

In today’s instalment of the phoney culture war/free speech/woke brigade/snowflake agenda, I give you - students taking down a pic of the queen.

Pick a side. Fight amongst yourselves. Have at it. (Don’t look at any other issues like the government being found guilty of squirrelling more tax payer money to their mates).

Then we can all look forward to tomorrow’s vitally important culture war topic.

Rinse and repeat.

Personally think they can choose to have a picture in their common room or not, whether it's Queen Elizabeth II or the band Queen, don't care.

It's the reasoning that's the problem. They want the reaction, clearly, and that's why this keeps happening. So they do something stupid, get the reaction they want, thus we have two sets of extremists fuelling eachother while everyone in the middle rolls their eyes, but the ire is directed at those who do the stupid thing in the first instance - which means perpetual Tory governance.

It's sadly not 'phoney' - it's real. Death by a thousand stupid cuts.

EDIT: Andy Burnham summing it up really well actually.

These kind of gestures are getting a bit out of hand. We should always respect the Queen but particularly now given things that have happened in the last few months. I don't support that. Let's get a sense of proportion and a bit of respect. People can air their views but those kind of gestures are divisive actually - they just divide people, and I don't think they achieve much, to be honest.

Quite.

 

[dead_soft]

Booing football players and saying it's because they are tacitly supporting Marxism - easily defendable

Taking down a picture of the Queen in a room a few hundred people use that was put up a few years back - stupid and divisive from extremists.

 

[Tubey]

Booing football players and saying it's because they are tacitly supporting Marxism - easily defendable

Taking down a picture of the Queen in a room a few hundred people use that was put up a few years back - stupid and divisive from extremists.

Not comparing like for like there are you?

Taking the knee is stupid and divisive. Booing is a justified reaction to that.

Here you go, I'll fix it.

Football players taking the knee - stupid and divisive.

Taking down a picture of the Queen in a room a few hundred people use that was put up a few years back - stupid and divisive.

It's all pointless. It achieves nothing but division, over and over again. It achieves the exact opposite of what they say they want. It simply makes people throw walls up and they separate into ever more defensive camps in the extremes, constantly angry, constantly at war, never giving an inch, never compromising.

The reason the media makes a big deal out of incidents like this is because readers find it astonishing that it keeps happening. It never fails to get an eye roll or make a jaw drop. There's a reason for that; people don't identify with it.

 

[dead_soft]

Not comparing like for like there are you?

Taking the knee is stupid and divisive. Booing is a justified reaction to that.

Here you go, I'll fix it.



It's all pointless. It achieves nothing but division, over and over again. It achieves the exact opposite of what they say they want. It simply makes people throw walls up and they separate into ever more defensive camps in the extremes, constantly angry, constantly at war, never giving an inch, never compromising.

The reason the media makes a big deal out of incidents like this is because readers find it astonishing that it keeps happening. It never fails to get an eye roll or make a jaw drop. There's a reason for that; people don't identify with it.

Nah, the media keep making a big deal of it because gullible sausages like some on here are able to get frothed into a state about it and start suggesting really low stakes acts are some form of extremism and insidious far left plot. And, of course, because it is 100% part of the right-wing playbook of horror and divisiveness.

 

[Prevenger17]

It's all pointless. It achieves nothing but division, over and over again. It achieves the exact opposite of what they say they want. It simply makes people throw walls up and they separate into ever more defensive camps in the extremes, constantly angry, constantly at war, never giving an inch, never compromising.

The people who are booing it are far more culpable for the division. They've been told over and over it's just a gesture of solidarity for racial equality, and yet it's the morons in the crowd who get to decide it's for marxism. Give your head a wobble Tubey

 

[Tubey]

The people who are booing it are far more culpable for the division. They've been told over and over it's just a gesture of solidarity for racial equality, and yet it's the morons in the crowd who get to decide it's for marxism. Give your head a wobble Tubey

Oh well that's fine then. Whatever the footballers decide is law, the 'morons in the crowd' have been told what it means now, shut your traps and accept your place, the 'morons in the crowd' don't get to have a view. If the footballers decide up means down tomorrow, you'll damn well accept it you plebs!

As surprising as it might seem, the 'morons in the crowd' who paid attention and saw taking the knee as the gesture of support for the Black Lives Matter political movement strangely still see it as a gesture of support for the Black Lives Matter movement. Weird. Almost like symbolism is powerful or something.

 

[Amw79]

Personally think they can choose to have a picture in their common room or not, whether it's Queen Elizabeth II or the band Queen, don't care.

It's the reasoning that's the problem. They want the reaction, clearly, and that's why this keeps happening. So they do something stupid, get the reaction they want, thus we have two sets of extremists fuelling eachother while everyone in the middle rolls their eyes, but the ire is directed at those who do the stupid thing in the first instance - which means perpetual Tory governance.

It's sadly not 'phoney' - it's real. Death by a thousand stupid cuts.

EDIT: Andy Burnham summing it up really well actually.



Quite.

We just view this differently. I think it’s utterly irrelevant, including their reasoning for whether they do or don’t want the picture up. Has zero impact on anything outside of the Oxford common room.

But it stokes the culture war fire, generates another 100 meaningless media articles and gives people something to click, for their daily fix of manufactured outrage.

 

[Tubey]

We just view this differently. I think it’s utterly irrelevant, including their reasoning for whether they do or don’t want the picture up. Has zero impact on anything outside of the Oxford common room.

But it stokes the culture war fire, generates another 100 meaningless media articles and gives people something to click, for their daily fix of manufactured outrage.

We actually view it pretty much identically. It's just while you see it as meaningless and irrelevant, I see it as dangerous. I wish it had zero impact on anything outside of the Oxford common room - but the fact we and thousands of others are discussing it and news media are running articles on it, it clearly has an impact.

As said, death by a thousand stupid cuts, each one as stupid and pointless as the last, but a cut nevertheless.

It should be utterly irrelevant; in a normal world it'd be some nutcases doing stupid stuff and other nutcases reacting to it. But the problem is the lunatics are threatening to run the whole asylum.