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[coollino]

It implies it in the headline. And " while another wrote: “Jesus. When I think of typefaces white people should avoid, anything remotely calligraphic/blackletter looking pops immediately to mind, especially if it’s going to include the word ‘White’"

This is todays media... it only takes one or two nut-jobs to make a controversial comment on social media, and the press use that as a headline to suggest it's a widespread belief. Somebody makes a comment on twitter, and The Guardian use that as a basis for an article. This is a national newspaper. Crazy.

It's just symbolism, it's hardly new.

Looks like classic grifting to me anyway. He says a statement, it gets media attention, he releases a brand which is similar to groups clothes people such as Proud Boys. People buy it.

I, and I guess you, wouldn't have known about Tom Hanks' son and let alone his brand so it's worked.

 

[Mr. White]

It's just symbolism, it's hardly new.

Looks like classic grifting to me anyway. He says a statement, it gets media attention, he releases a brand which is similar to groups clothes people such as Proud Boys. People buy it.

I, and I guess you, wouldn't have known about Tom Hanks' son and let alone his brand so it's worked.

Yes, you're right. I'm just surprised that this is in The Guardian. They beg for subscribers, advertise that they are independent and have integrity, then publish guff like this. This is the kind of nonsense you expect from The Daily Mail.

 

[coollino]

Yes, you're right. I'm just surprised that this is in The Guardian. They beg for subscribers, advertise that they are independent and have integrity, then publish guff like this. This is the kind of nonsense you expect from The Daily Mail.

I get what you mean but the DM website is one of the most visited websites in the world and the Guardian are genuinely struggling so I guess they have to do something.

The Guardian still have some good journalists (and some bad) but they aren't the overly left learning news source they claim to be. Probably due to the fact they need to make some money.

They probably do rely on some semi viral stuff such as this.

 

[dead_soft]

They don't earn less for the same job. Which if you read my original post was the point I was making.

There's a myriad reasons as to why that is, and not all of them are discriminatory. Indeed, most of them are not.

So weirdly circular. You just admitted it is possible for it to happen both purposefully and inadvertently.

And it does happen. Especially at management levels where banding and negotiations come in.
Your original post also misunderstood that the gender pay gap is not just about people getting paid less for the same job.

What do you mean by saying most are not discriminatory? I’m not sure most people involved in the debate on any serious level suggest most are active discrimination. But what’s your reason for women earning less than men?

 

[Tubey]

So weirdly circular. You just admitted it is possible for it to happen both purposefully and inadvertently.

And it does happen. Especially at management levels where banding and negotiations come in.
Your original post also misunderstood that the gender pay gap is not just about people getting paid less for the same job.

What do you mean by saying most are not discriminatory? I’m not sure most people involved in the debate on any serious level suggest most are active discrimination. But what’s your reason for women earning less than men?

Good lord... My point was specifically that I don't misunderstand that but loads of others do...

You are hard work.

 

[dead_soft]

Good lord... My point was specifically that I don't misunderstand that but loads of others do...

You are hard work.

No your point was that the common refrain regarding the gender pay gap is that women get paid less for the same work. It's not the common refrain. But I'm sure you'll maintain it is. Again and again.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Of course. It usually comes down to areas in business or sectors rather than blanket disparity.

Very rare do they do statistics based on the lower salaried workers to see who gets paid what. Mainly down to the fact that unions usually sort that out and there's generally uproar internally if Joey gets paid more than Sandra doing the same job on the phones.

Hell, took me 10 years to get to the pay grade I'm on at our place. Then they ended up putting new starters up to the same pay bracket to bring things "in line". Fuming I was.

I bet you were! That’s meeting with your manager time.

 

[Tubey]

No your point was that the common refrain regarding the gender pay gap is that women get paid less for the same work. It's not the common refrain. But I'm sure you'll maintain it is. Again and again.

I said a common refrain, and it is. "Women get paid less than men" is misconstrued as "for the same job" - they aren't.

There's ample evidence this happens.

 

[dead_soft]

I said a common refrain, and it is. "Women get paid less than men" is misconstrued as "for the same job" - they aren't.

There's ample evidence this happens.

A common refrain by who? Folks on twitter?

Anyway, seems this is all getting a bit silly now

 

[Tubey]

A common refrain by who? Folks on twitter?

Anyway, seems this is all getting a bit silly now

Only one in three understand what the gender pay gap is

Almost two-thirds of the British public incorrectly identified what the gender pay gap is and confused it with the issue of unequal pay, a YouGov survey

www.personneltoday.com

Happy now?

 

[Brennan]

Only one in three understand what the gender pay gap is

Almost two-thirds of the British public incorrectly identified what the gender pay gap is and confused it with the issue of unequal pay, a YouGov survey

www.personneltoday.com

Happy now?

Yougov so it’s fake news innit

 

[dead_soft]

Only one in three understand what the gender pay gap is

Almost two-thirds of the British public incorrectly identified what the gender pay gap is and confused it with the issue of unequal pay, a YouGov survey

www.personneltoday.com

Happy now?

Member of the public not understanding something doesn’t make it a common refrain amongst those campaigning for it. Not saying those campaigning can’t do better on their messaging but it, quite clearly, is not the same thing.

But you’ll do a roll of eyes and ‘god you’re hard work’ just because someone disagrees with your common sense so let’s leave it, hey?

 

[Tubey]

Member of the public not understanding something doesn’t make it a common refrain amongst those campaigning for it. Not saying those campaigning can’t do better on their messaging but it, quite clearly, is not the same thing.

lol

That's a lot of words for "oh right I didn't know that, you were right Tubey"

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Good lord... My point was specifically that I don't misunderstand that but loads of others do...

You are hard work.

 

[LEONARD]

Apparently school uniforms are now deemed to be 'racist'.

I always thought that Oswald Mosely protractor at school was dodgy!