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longers said:
What has any of this got to do with what the term actually means ? the term has only become massively popular within mainstream society in the last year or two because its become the new buzz word to mock people who complain about racial/social injustice. It's just the new 'SJW', a lazy critique that conservatives can chuck at anyone to try and devalue their argument/position.

Sure there are some extreme people on twitter who perhaps identify as 'woke' and have the mindset you describe with regard to 'if you're not with us, you're against us' but it's not evidence of some massive movement that is causing huge harm to society, it's a load of overhyped bollocks that shouldn't be getting anywhere near the level of attention it gets relative to far more important issues.

There's a reason cancel culture/wokism has become the number 1 focus for the GOP despite it effecting a miniscule percentage of the population relative to real issues.
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I think you undervalue the impact it has. Massively so in fact. These are increasingly organised, very extremist movements in several areas of life.

And I was describing exactly what you said - you say the original meaning remains valid; it doesn't. It has been, justifiably, corrupted.
 
Tubey said:
I think you undervalue the impact it has. Massively so in fact. These are increasingly organised, very extremist movements in several areas of life.

And I was describing exactly what you said - you say the original meaning remains valid; it doesn't. It has been, justifiably, corrupted.
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Compare its impact to issues like climate change, growing wealth inequality etc ? it's a complete nothing burger in comparison hence why it does my head in that it gets so much coverage. I don't know anyone who worries about wokism or cancel culture in day to day life, it's so far down the list of stuff to worry about.

If it didn't get such absurd amounts of coverage it wouldn't bother me so much but when you have a political party basically making 'cancel culture' its number one focus whilst ignoring far bigger problems... well that's just grim.
 
Tubey said:
As in if you are 'fighting injustice', anyone who disagrees with you is by definition not fighting injustice. Even if they firmly believe there's simply a different way of doing so.

So the definition becomes corrupted, so that 'woke' becomes a derogatory term because it's used as a shield for nonsense.
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the 'woke' don't listen to reason.. I'd save your breath! lol
 
longers said:
Compare its impact to issues like climate change, growing wealth inequality etc ? it's a complete nothing burger in comparison hence why it does my head in that it gets so much coverage. I don't know anyone who worries about wokism or cancel culture in day to day life, it's so far down the list of stuff to worry about.

If it didn't get such absurd amounts of coverage it wouldn't bother me so much but when you have a political party basically making 'cancel culture' its number one focus whilst ignoring far bigger problems... well that's just grim.
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That's why it's dangerous.

When some idiot talks about emojis being cultural appropriation, or a white voice actor playing Apu in the Simpsons etc. etc. every one of the woke clowns jump on the bandwagon. It's seen as people moaning about everything, constantly, no matter how stupid, no matter how insignificant or wrong, to the point where actual issues lose value. Everything is a crusade, so nothing is.

You speak of how it gets on your nerves that it gets 'absurd amounts of coverage' - well, blame the idiots seeking that coverage. They're getting what they want and diluting everything. Instead, you blame the opponents who are simply reacting and rightfully calling it out as stupidity.

Climate change is a serious issue, yet it's boiled down to an exploited teenage girl with Asperger's yelling about stuff she has little knowledge on, instead of being progressed in a serious manner. Racism is a serious issue, but it's boiled down to idiots vandalising statues they have no context of. And all of it is egged on, constantly, instead of being panned as a distraction. Because it's always a case of 'you're either with us or against us'; a holy crusade of vengeance, where anyone doing anything on their 'side' is justified.
 
Tubey said:
That's why it's dangerous.

When some idiot talks about emojis being cultural appropriation, or a white voice actor playing Apu in the Simpsons etc. etc. every one of the woke clowns jump on the bandwagon. It's seen as people moaning about everything, constantly, no matter how stupid, no matter how insignificant or wrong, to the point where actual issues lose value. Everything is a crusade, so nothing is.

You speak of how it gets on your nerves that it gets 'absurd amounts of coverage' - well, blame the idiots seeking that coverage. They're getting what they want and diluting everything. Instead, you blame the opponents who are simply reacting and rightfully calling it out as stupidity.

Climate change is a serious issue, yet it's boiled down to an exploited teenage girl with Asperger's yelling about stuff she has little knowledge on, instead of being progressed in a serious manner. Racism is a serious issue, but it's boiled down to idiots vandalising statues they have no context of. And all of it is egged on, constantly, instead of being panned as a distraction. Because it's always a case of 'you're either with us or against us'; a holy crusade of vengeance, where anyone doing anything on their 'side' is justified.
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Not sure that is correct - climate change is boiled down to "what Thunberg says" because the people responsible for climate change are the ones who are largely in charge of the media and so get to boil it down to that. Rather than actually treat it seriously - to prepare for whats coming, and to change the way our societies operate to try and mitigate as much of it as possible - they carry blithely on, and throw incredibly hypocritical distractions like "do you know she is being exploited!" or "global warming scientists are in the pay of the climate change lobby" at us.

The same of course goes for racism, with vandalizing statues having almost completely replaced the very real problems in terms of the media's narrative; so we have it brought up again and again, as if its equivalent to (for example) the difference in COVID death rates between the races. During last summer in the UK, one statue was torn down, as the result of the repeated failure of the local authorities to do anything about the widespread concerns held by local people despite all manner of engagement and discussion about that statue. Some other ones were written on, something that (unfortunately) happens hundreds of times a day on trains, railway infrastructure, walls and so on despite it already being illegal (and very dangerous in some cases).

This has, somehow, resulted in the government bringing in more measures to "protect" statues (from things that were already illegal) than it has to reduce inequality - which has once again been confirmed to exist by the difference in COVID death rates.
 
Jebus_lives said:
Shall we just

Blocked for me.
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Sorry can't delete it now,my brother has a subscription and emails me them,but obviously you mustn't be able to post them on.
It's about the school closure and the teacher needing police protection over what appears to be he or she showing one of the Hebdo cartoons while discussing blasphemy in an RE lesson.
The piece is written by a Muslim journalist.
 
tsubaki said:
Not sure that is correct - climate change is boiled down to "what Thunberg says" because the people responsible for climate change are the ones who are largely in charge of the media and so get to boil it down to that. Rather than actually treat it seriously - to prepare for whats coming, and to change the way our societies operate to try and mitigate as much of it as possible - they carry blithely on, and throw incredibly hypocritical distractions like "do you know she is being exploited!" or "global warming scientists are in the pay of the climate change lobby" at us.

The same of course goes for racism, with vandalizing statues having almost completely replaced the very real problems in terms of the media's narrative; so we have it brought up again and again, as if its equivalent to (for example) the difference in COVID death rates between the races. During last summer in the UK, one statue was torn down, as the result of the repeated failure of the local authorities to do anything about the widespread concerns held by local people despite all manner of engagement and discussion about that statue. Some other ones were written on, something that (unfortunately) happens hundreds of times a day on trains, railway infrastructure, walls and so on despite it already being illegal (and very dangerous in some cases).

This has, somehow, resulted in the government bringing in more measures to "protect" statues (from things that were already illegal) than it has to reduce inequality - which has once again been confirmed to exist by the difference in COVID death rates.
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That's just not true. Thunberg was held up and celebrated by those exploiting her. And yes, exploiting is the word - she clearly was and is exploited.

Here's the Guardian with an article every day or two akin to the Daily Mail obsession with the royals.

Greta Thunberg | The Guardian

Latest news, sport, business, comment, analysis and reviews from the Guardian, the world's leading liberal voice
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

You've had a university build a statue of her lately for absolutely no reason - that's not because of Murdoch and co.

No, sorry, but that's a retrospective attempt to disown something stupid.
 
Tubey said:
That's just not true. Thunberg was held up and celebrated by those exploiting her. And yes, exploiting is the word - she clearly was and is exploited.

Here's the Guardian with an article every day or two akin to the Daily Mail obsession with the royals.

Greta Thunberg | The Guardian

Latest news, sport, business, comment, analysis and reviews from the Guardian, the world's leading liberal voice
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

You've had a university build a statue of her lately for absolutely no reason - that's not because of Murdoch and co.

No, sorry, but that's a retrospective attempt to disown something stupid.
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"clearly was and is being exploited"?

Is there any suggestion she is doing any of this against her will, or being encouraged to do it against her interests, or doing it for someone elses' benefit?

Also FWIW there is literally an example of Thunberg being used to frame a debate by the people largely in charge of the media at that Guardian link:

www.theguardian.com

Greta Thunberg effigies burned in Delhi after tweets on farmers' protests

Celebrity interventions inflame sentiments in India as police investigate pro-farmers toolkit
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As for the statue - sorry, is opposing statues bad or good now? I am confused.
 
longers said:
Oh look its someone lazily using the term when It’s not even relevant, who’d have thunk it.

What are your other favourite buzzwords that you like to use incorrectly ?

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My favourites are 'racist' , 'Islamophobe', and 'Tory'.
 
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