Forgive me.....

[mpatton]

This is a great thread, but I think a bit of a reality check is needed. We are in the midst of an absolute dire economic world recession where we have no idea of where the end is. I'm no economist, but I live and work in the City of London for a company that deals with all the big financial, Media, Legal, companies. The majority of the FTSE 100 and 250 companies and public sector departments are my companies clients and the one constant is cost cutting in a significant way.

The football "business" is a bubble at the moment, and unless you have some wealthy tycoon who literally wants to piss his money away on a sideline hobby then I simply can't see things improving.

I am ignorant to the majority of Evertons history, but like you all I am a fan.

I was reading the BU article when they met with Kenwright and I am surprised by some of the "hatred" and contempt that is given to Kenwright. He is a fan, he has mortgaged his house for the club, receives no salary, and he uses his influential contacts (Philip Green etc) for free advice to do what is best for the club. I'm sorry but I don't see it any other way. Also some of the things that he has had to endure (wreaths, **** parcels etc) is quite simply unacceptable.

He doesn't run the club on a day to day basis. No chairmen does. That is the job of David Moyes, and the commercial team, chief Executive.

He says he is doing everything to sell the club, and that is Kenwrights only focus at the moment and he is not standing in the way, in fact he is doing everything he can to do so. The comments about seeking a high valuation I think is unfounded and simply ill informed speculation (IMO).

I agree with you Sharpy, in that if something happens that the majority disagree with, then we should act. I have been to all home games this season and with the exception of West Brom, all the aways at reat expense but I do it because i love everything about Everton.

I was disgusted with the way Bally was treated, and assuming that everything he has said has happened (i believe Bally 100%) then this is outrageous. I have pm'd Alan Ball offering my support.

I believe that the large majority of fans support the current setup and looking at where the club is currently I am overall happy with everything and believe the club is heading in the right direction, and literally praying that we do find that rich benefactor but i just can't see it personally.

I would personally like to be in the situation of Manchester Utd when a number of their fans were able to raise some serious money as an alternative.

I'd happily buy shares as part of a consortium although I wander how many fans altogether would support this (we'd need about £100m).

Loving the passion though.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

To be fair Danny, hes not asking for GOT as a whole to be anti-Kenwrong, hes simply putting his side of a story across.

Don't understand that. I didn't say he was. I was responding to his repeated question.

Absolutely nothing to do with Bill Kenwright and the Everton board.

Absolutely nothing to do with the Blue Union.

Trying to (repeatedly, as below) associate the two is desperate. Bad taste to try and spin it to meet a desired agenda.

From the 'Banned from Finch Farm' thread;

Makes me very sad this does.

Thing i ask thou.....

When the B.U. was marching in the summer and trying to make a difference. Where, were all you?. To busy ****ging them off...

Well maybe some might realise now the crooks that run this club. It stinks.... Don't worry 3 points sun an all is forgotten

So sorry to hear this bally, your just another statistic to this board... One of many who have been banned latley .

Who the **** do they think they are.

Clap, clap, clap.....

I don't get why its took this for people to turn on the board. This on one if many many things that's wrong with this board runing our club.

Sharpy asks why we're outspoken on this occasion and not in the past? - Well, the two are entirely different - a world apart. Certainly in that it directly impacts GrandOldTeam as a service.

So in answer as to why go public? - fans needed to know why we could only publish away Reserve/U21s/U18s match reports. That, and to clarify any libelous/slanderous whisperings.

What the recent AB response shows is fans on here (claimed to be 'happy clappers'), judge each incident on their merit and don't blindly back the Club.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

The problem with what Sharpy says and others who are totally against the board and want change for (in their eyes) the benefit of the club we all support is that in order to achieve that you need the backing of a lot of other fans.

And when you don't get that you feel like you're banging your head against a brick wall. Some fans either don't know or are happy with things the way they are so there's no problem for them.

But the people who want change, they have the problem of seeing fans with a different view as an obstruction to achieving that change, so its tricky to try and get them over to their side of thinking, which in their eyes is the one which is in the best interests of the club, without having the opposite effect of pissing them off and making them anti people for change.

 

[mpatton]

Surely the question your asking is :

What if there isnt anybody willing to pay an unrealistic price for a Club with ZERO assets and heavily in debt.

The answer is simple, you lower the price.

To be honest it isn't that simple. is Everton even worth a quid? Its heavily in debt, it makes no real money and needs significant investment.

Our club is one of the situations where we almost need to pay someone to take it off the current boards hands, and quite simply they don't have the money and why should they?

Someone made a comment hear suggesting to move forward you need to take a step backward. Do we do a rangers?

 

[nigelcoyb]

so the fact that you hate the board means you love the club more than those who don't?

Elstone and Co are massive bells but unless there is a viable option on the table I'd rather not see Goodison with 10,000 empty seats and people deliberately starving the club of income when we are barely breaking even.

Another 10 yrs with just a dogs breakfast of a cup final to show it is then.

Keep going and don't protest they're laughing their socks off at suckers comforting themselves with the "loyalty" card.

You'll find a bit more than 10k off the gate after another decade of ****e as the old guard die off and potential newbies say "fck that for a game of soldiers Manchester is just a short train ride away"

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Don't understand that. I didn't say he was. I was responding to his repeated question.

Absolutely nothing to do with Bill Kenwright and the Everton board.

Absolutely nothing to do with the Blue Union.

Trying to (repeatedly, as below) associate the two is desperate. Bad taste to try and spin it to meet a desired agenda.

From the 'Banned from Finch Farm' thread;

Sharpy asks why we're outspoken on this occasion and not in the past? - Well, the two are entirely different - a world apart. Certainly in that it directly impacts GrandOldTeam as a service.

So in answer as to why go public? - fans needed to know why we could only publish away Reserve/U21s/U18s match reports. That, and to clarify any libelous/slanderous whisperings.

What the recent AB response shows is fans on here (claimed to be 'happy clappers'), judge each incident on their merit and don't blindly back the Club.

THIS ^^^^

Nicely put & spot on.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Another 10 yrs with just a dogs breakfast of a cup final to show it is then.

Keep going and don't protest they're laughing their socks off at suckers comforting themselves with the "loyalty" card.

You'll find a bit more than 10k off the gate after another decade of ****e as the old guard die off and potential newbies say "fck that for a game of soldiers Manchester is just a short train ride away"

Give us next weeks lotto numbers while you're at it mate.

As that's nothing more than you're doomsday scenario dressued up as 'fact'.

Propoganda wise you're on a par with Elstone & co, you lid.

 

[Slavan]

The OP is correct.
Our chairman, board members and club staff are a stain on our great history.
The kenwright years will forever be remembered as the years of lies.

 

[mkrudden]

With the greatest of respect to the original poster, I just dont agree with alot of what hes said and object to the idea that because I dont agree, Im not a true evertonian.

Yes I know, that wasnt exactly what hes said but essentially the idea is that because I as one of the blues faithful, have not spoken up again the regime and 'marched' then what is occurring at the club is my fault.

Brennan makes a great point early on in this thread to, in that some fans just want to 'go the game' and keep up to date with the club in its playing capacity.

I though, am not one of those people. I have a keen interest into the club from top to bottom. I enjoy seeing how profitable we are and the implications every move we make has on the financial aspects of the club.

But I like Kenwright. I dont know him. Ive never met him. but in that respect im no different to his haters. They dont know him. Theyve never met him.

The point im making is that whilst many people on here have an opinion, which is great, they actually have no idea what Kenwright and the board are thinking. I have just read on a different thread that the board allow 'grey areas' in their accounts - insinuating that they are lining their pockets. Forgive me, but because I dont believe that - mainly because there is no evidence to back that up - does that make me a bad blue, a lesser blue?

Football is a fantasy world. Pure business fantasy. The reason for this is in the industry of football, followers of a club strive for success coupled with the new billionaire owners. I am of this opinion that it is exactly why some of us blues are annoyed.

Annoyed and jealous.

We want the new stadium. We want the worlds best players. We want a board who throw money at the manager so that we can challenge for titles and champions league football.

But we dont have that. We have Kenwright. And we blame Kenwright for being there.

Ive said it before and ill say it again - Why would anyone buy us?

Theres a huge debt to pay off. We need a new stadium. We need new players. Even then, because of the amount of big money owners now in the league, and only 4 champions league spots, it still wouldnt guarentee anything.

So because Billy hasnt found the above gentleman/woman who will basically give us a load of money which makes little to no business sense to them, we hate him.

Now to bring this back to the case of Alan Ball and the OP view (so that it can at least try and be relevant to this thread)...

I think its very poor of the club to make such a decision based, and this is the clincher, on the facts given to us. I work as a solicitor, and I must emphasise to you all that there are 2 sides to every story and usually both sides think they are right in their actions and their argument.

I am not saying for one minute that Alan Ball deserved being banned, and that Everton have conducted themselves fantastically. But not all blues can drop everything to go march against the club when really, in the grand scheme of things,we have no idea what exactly has happened and why.

Apologies for the long post - this has just been coming for quite a while.

Great result today. Thats what matters.

 

[Slavan]

Ive said it before and ill say it again - Why would anyone buy us?

Theres a huge debt to pay off. We need a new stadium. We need new players. Even then, because of the amount of big money owners now in the league, and only 4 champions league spots, it still wouldnt guarentee anything.

So because Billy hasnt found the above gentleman/woman who will basically give us a load of money which makes little to no business sense to them, we hate him.
.

your missing the point.
we are critical fo Kenwright and co because of what they have done, not simply what they havent.
The main reason why a potential investor would be put off is down to his mis-management, missed opportunites, debt increase, etc.

Bill Kenwright is the enemy of everton football club.

 

[Joe De Loach]

With the greatest of respect to the original poster, I just dont agree with alot of what hes said and object to the idea that because I dont agree, Im not a true evertonian.

Yes I know, that wasnt exactly what hes said but essentially the idea is that because I as one of the blues faithful, have not spoken up again the regime and 'marched' then what is occurring at the club is my fault.

Brennan makes a great point early on in this thread to, in that some fans just want to 'go the game' and keep up to date with the club in its playing capacity.

I though, am not one of those people. I have a keen interest into the club from top to bottom. I enjoy seeing how profitable we are and the implications every move we make has on the financial aspects of the club.

But I like Kenwright. I dont know him. Ive never met him. but in that respect im no different to his haters. They dont know him. Theyve never met him.

The point im making is that whilst many people on here have an opinion, which is great, they actually have no idea what Kenwright and the board are thinking. I have just read on a different thread that the board allow 'grey areas' in their accounts - insinuating that they are lining their pockets. Forgive me, but because I dont believe that - mainly because there is no evidence to back that up - does that make me a bad blue, a lesser blue?

Football is a fantasy world. Pure business fantasy. The reason for this is in the industry of football, followers of a club strive for success coupled with the new billionaire owners. I am of this opinion that it is exactly why some of us blues are annoyed.

Annoyed and jealous.

We want the new stadium. We want the worlds best players. We want a board who throw money at the manager so that we can challenge for titles and champions league football.

But we dont have that. We have Kenwright. And we blame Kenwright for being there.

Ive said it before and ill say it again - Why would anyone buy us?

Theres a huge debt to pay off. We need a new stadium. We need new players. Even then, because of the amount of big money owners now in the league, and only 4 champions league spots, it still wouldnt guarentee anything.

So because Billy hasnt found the above gentleman/woman who will basically give us a load of money which makes little to no business sense to them, we hate him.

Now to bring this back to the case of Alan Ball and the OP view (so that it can at least try and be relevant to this thread)...

I think its very poor of the club to make such a decision based, and this is the clincher, on the facts given to us. I work as a solicitor, and I must emphasise to you all that there are 2 sides to every story and usually both sides think they are right in their actions and their argument.

I am not saying for one minute that Alan Ball deserved being banned, and that Everton have conducted themselves fantastically. But not all blues can drop everything to go march against the club when really, in the grand scheme of things,we have no idea what exactly has happened and why.

Apologies for the long post - this has just been coming for quite a while.

Great result today. Thats what matters.

I blame Bill Kenwright for the unmanageable debt accrued by his board and standing in the way of the Kings Dock proposal by Paul Gregg. Those two reasons only!

 

[Chang Elephant]

I live and work in the City of London for a company that deals with all the big financial, Media, Legal, companies. The majority of the FTSE 100 and 250 companies and public sector departments are my companies clients.

I was reading the BU article when they met with Kenwright and I am surprised by some of the "hatred" and contempt that is given to Kenwright. He is a fan, he has mortgaged his house for the club, receives no salary, and he uses his influential contacts (Philip Green etc) for free advice to do what is best for the club. I'm sorry but I don't see it any other way. Also some of the things that he has had to endure (wreaths, **** parcels etc) is quite simply unacceptable.

First paragraph - you can have a biscuit as well.

Second - You ned to open the doors of perception.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Everyone's entitled to ther own opinion.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Give us next weeks lotto numbers while you're at it mate.

As that's nothing more than you're doomsday scenario dressued up as 'fact'.

Propoganda wise you're on a par with Elstone & co, you lid.

Thought I was being optimistic bearing in mind the way "others" (cough) dress this last decade as on a par with "the resurrection, walking on water and turning water into wine" all rolled into one.

Surprised you see it as a doomsday scenario.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

With the greatest of respect to the original poster, I just dont agree with alot of what hes said and object to the idea that because I dont agree, Im not a true evertonian.

Yes I know, that wasnt exactly what hes said but essentially the idea is that because I as one of the blues faithful, have not spoken up again the regime and 'marched' then what is occurring at the club is my fault.

Brennan makes a great point early on in this thread to, in that some fans just want to 'go the game' and keep up to date with the club in its playing capacity.

I though, am not one of those people. I have a keen interest into the club from top to bottom. I enjoy seeing how profitable we are and the implications every move we make has on the financial aspects of the club.

But I like Kenwright. I dont know him. Ive never met him. but in that respect im no different to his haters. They dont know him. Theyve never met him.

The point im making is that whilst many people on here have an opinion, which is great, they actually have no idea what Kenwright and the board are thinking. I have just read on a different thread that the board allow 'grey areas' in their accounts - insinuating that they are lining their pockets. Forgive me, but because I dont believe that - mainly because there is no evidence to back that up - does that make me a bad blue, a lesser blue?

Football is a fantasy world. Pure business fantasy. The reason for this is in the industry of football, followers of a club strive for success coupled with the new billionaire owners. I am of this opinion that it is exactly why some of us blues are annoyed.

Annoyed and jealous.

We want the new stadium. We want the worlds best players. We want a board who throw money at the manager so that we can challenge for titles and champions league football.

But we dont have that. We have Kenwright. And we blame Kenwright for being there.

Ive said it before and ill say it again - Why would anyone buy us?

Theres a huge debt to pay off. We need a new stadium. We need new players. Even then, because of the amount of big money owners now in the league, and only 4 champions league spots, it still wouldnt guarentee anything.

So because Billy hasnt found the above gentleman/woman who will basically give us a load of money which makes little to no business sense to them, we hate him.

Now to bring this back to the case of Alan Ball and the OP view (so that it can at least try and be relevant to this thread)...

I think its very poor of the club to make such a decision based, and this is the clincher, on the facts given to us. I work as a solicitor, and I must emphasise to you all that there are 2 sides to every story and usually both sides think they are right in their actions and their argument.

I am not saying for one minute that Alan Ball deserved being banned, and that Everton have conducted themselves fantastically. But not all blues can drop everything to go march against the club when really, in the grand scheme of things,we have no idea what exactly has happened and why.

Apologies for the long post - this has just been coming for quite a while.

Great result today. Thats what matters.

i never once said that, so don't twist things for you advantage.

iv said don't kick off over the ab thing then go back this board.

as Iv said before, we won today so all is forgotten