Financial spending in England

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As an aside, FWIW, I'd like to offer some thanks to Artetafan for his analysis and the fact he posted it even though it could be argued it kind of defends Moyes (when AF doesn't want to).

So in the spirit of weakening your own argument I'd like to suggest QPR shouldn't be considered bigger spenders than us. It's clear that they probably WILL spend more than we do (and did this past year) but having sustained spend over a few years is more valuable.

To take the argument to an extreme, if you invested 100m in a pub side it would be more than we spend that year but they also wouldn't be better than us immediately.

That said, if they manage to stay up its somewhat inevitable they will exceed our spend over the next 5 years so having them on the list isn't crazy.

Given the amount of churn with relegation and promotion 14th must be close to dead last for teams which have spent most of those 10 years in the top flight. How many teams have spent less and stayed in the Prem for those 10 years? (I could look this up myself I suppose ... so lazy.)
 
njligernj said:
Is he? I asked this in another thread but don't think anyone took the bait. As best I can tell (I'd welcome updated numbers since what I found was from two years ago) we are around 20-25th in wages in the whole of world football. According to a list I found from Nov of 2012 Moyes is the 16th best paid manager in world football. So how would that make him massively overpaid? He is perhaps slightly overpaid relative to what we spend on players.

I think part of this is that nobody thinks of us as being a top 25 club in wages but thanks to the insanity of the Prem we spend more on wages than many teams which finish comfortably in CL spots in other leagues.

Sadly something like 50% of the teams above us in wages are in the Prem which might explain why we don't think of ourselves as big spenders.
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None of our individual players are close to being the 16th best paid in their profession, though. Moyes is an outlier in that respect.

Also Moyes is I think closer to Mourinho than Fellaini is to Messi.

Not that I don't also think our players are overpaid, because I do, but it feels less out of proportion because theres more footballers in every club so even though only a handful of clubs outpay our players that still means a hundred or so players outeran them.
 
njligernj said:
As an aside, FWIW, I'd like to offer some thanks to Artetafan for his analysis and the fact he posted it even though it could be argued it kind of defends Moyes (when AF doesn't want to).

So in the spirit of weakening your own argument I'd like to suggest QPR shouldn't be considered bigger spenders than us. It's clear that they probably WILL spend more than we do (and did this past year) but having sustained spend over a few years is more valuable.

To take the argument to an extreme, if you invested 100m in a pub side it would be more than we spend that year but they also wouldn't be better than us immediately.

That said, if they manage to stay up its somewhat inevitable they will exceed our spend over the next 5 years so having them on the list isn't crazy.

Given the amount of churn with relegation and promotion 14th must be close to dead last for teams which have spent most of those 10 years in the top flight. How many teams have spent less and stayed in the Prem for those 10 years? (I could look this up myself I suppose ... so lazy.)
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Fair point. The main reason I included QPR is that not many newly promoted sides do outspend us. They do in transfers (wolves, brum etc all did) but the low wage bills tends to mean we actually spend a lot more on our side in the same year. QPR are the exception in having a huge wage bill straight off.

And two teams who had been in the prem those whole ten years spent less. Blackburn & Bolton. Both of whom went down last year.
 
Artetafan said:
And two teams who had been in the prem those whole ten years spent less. Blackburn & Bolton. Both of whom went down last year.
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All this Moyes stuff aside ... the fact there is not a single team who spends less than us which hasn't been in the Championship in the last ten years is kind of scary.
 
njligernj said:
All this Moyes stuff aside ... the fact there is not a single team who spends less than us which hasn't been in the Championship in the last ten years is kind of scary.
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It's somewhat misleading, though. I mean swansea, norwich and wigan have never been relegated in that time period. And there's very little in spending between us and fulham.
 
Artetafan said:
It's somewhat misleading, though. I mean swansea, norwich and wigan have never been relegated in that time period. And there's very little in spending between us and fulham.
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I'll have you a wager that all 3 of them are relegated at some point in the next decade......

& if FFP is taken up & applied in the PL, Fulham won't be part of it in the long term either imo, given that Al Fayed bankrolls them.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
I'll have you a wager that all 3 of them are relegated at some point in the next decade......

& if FFP is taken up & applied in the PL, Fulham won't be part of it in the long term either imo, given that Al Fayed bankrolls them.
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Fulham don't spend much they don't generate theses days. Al fayed has all but stopped the big money.

Only problem they'll have is he dies and the son decides to call in all the money he gave them. They've been so sure al fayed won't call it in that they've been treating it like a gift rather than a loan.
 
Artetafan said:
Fulham don't spend much they don't generate theses days. Al fayed has all but stopped the big money.

Only problem they'll have is he dies and the son decides to call in all the money he gave them. They've been so sure al fayed won't call it in that they've been treating it like a gift rather than a loan.
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Would be an absolute PR disaster that, you'd have to be totally thick to do so.
 
Artetafan said:
Fulham don't spend much they don't generate theses days. Al fayed has all but stopped the big money.

Only problem they'll have is he dies and the son decides to call in all the money he gave them. They've been so sure al fayed won't call it in that they've been treating it like a gift rather than a loan.
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Didn't his son die in a car crash like ?
 
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