Fernandes - post-season views

[Nebbiolo]

If we can sign him for a decent price ( no more than 7m) then i'd have him. Anymore than that i dont think he is worth the risk.

I think he has a lot of potential and can be an awesome player for us. Sure he started off a bit slowly this year and didn't show much but as he got more settled in and up to full fitness his performances improved. Still has his downsides but hopefully if we sign him full time he can have a full pre-season here and show us what he is truly capable of next season.

Probably the best passer we have at the moment and can win a game for us with just one flash of brilliance. Thats just the kind of player we need.

I think you've summed it up pretty well. I would just add that I only want Davey to sign him if he is certain that he can get the most from Manny on a personal level. Sometimes he's looked a little separated from the rest of the team. But he's an excellent prospect, if he can apply himself to the task at hand. I'd be happy to risk £7m assuming my first point is misguided.

 

[Cal]

He's an absolutely superb player with huge potential.

Manny need's Everton more then we need him, for the sake of his career.

He seem's to enjoy it here, seem's to get on with all the lad's. He's got his own handshake with the Yak

Some of his touches yesterday were superb, absolutely breathtaking and he seem's to be a step ahead of alot of the player's.

If we don't sign him then we have missed out on a player who WILL be world class.

I think he need's a full season personally.

He's one of my favourite player's ever, i don't know what it is but i still loved him even wen he went to Spain.

SIGN HIM UP MOYESY

 

[Dejan79]

Just a quick point but have Valencia replaced Koeman yet with a full time manager......

The could be a chance of a new manager there liking the look of manny

 

[TX Bill]

Just because im new to this site doesnt mean i started supporting everton yesterday too! How much he is worth or how much we should spend depends entirley on the transfer budget which nobody knows what that is. Yes, Id pay £5million for him tops if the budget was big enough. But id be looking at him as a squad player with potential. I cant tell you who else to get cause im no expert on european football and i dont see many in the prem that are able to come. Perhaps you can tell me, youve been on this site a long time you must be an expert by now, i suppose you were on here singing mannys praises before he even went on loan to portsmouth

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were a new Everton supporter.

To be fair, I really took a shine to him during his first go around with us last season so I can't sit here and tell you I was a big fan before that. I had seen him with Portsmouth but really didn't pay much attention to him during that time so I'm certainly no expert.

I agree that the budget Moyes has to work with will dictate what he might be able to do in terms of Manny's situation.

In my opinion, I think most supporters would be ok with us paying anywhere between 5-7M for him. If I'm being honest, if it was more than 7M, then you'd have quite a few more supporters wondering if Moyes was making the right decision in buying him.

I'd be ok with us paying 8M (but no more) for him but I figure that more than 50% of the supporters wouldn't be, regardless of current form. That said, I wonder how much Valencia would be willing to part with him for.

The way he's playing now (and as Dejan79 mentioned, under new management), I could see them bringing him right back into the first team, especially with how Valencia performed last year.

I'm very interested to see how this turns out but again, no matter how it turns out, I think it'll turn out best for Everton.

 

[coyney]

after watching him not his fitness is returning and hes playing regular I honestly think if we dont get him we will rue the day

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were a new Everton supporter.

To be fair, I really took a shine to him during his first go around with us last season so I can't sit here and tell you I was a big fan before that. I had seen him with Portsmouth but really didn't pay much attention to him during that time so I'm certainly no expert.

I agree that the budget Moyes has to work with will dictate what he might be able to do in terms of Manny's situation.

In my opinion, I think most supporters would be ok with us paying anywhere between 5-7M for him. If I'm being honest, if it was more than 7M, then you'd have quite a few more supporters wondering if Moyes was making the right decision in buying him.

I'd be ok with us paying 8M (but no more) for him but I figure that more than 50% of the supporters wouldn't be, regardless of current form. That said, I wonder how much Valencia would be willing to part with him for.

The way he's playing now (and as someone mentioned, under new management), I could see them bringing him right back into the first team, especially with how Valencia performed last year.

I'm very interested to see how this turns out but again, no matter how it turns out, I think it'll turn out best for Everton.

I'd have no problem paying 10 million to be honest. You look around at midfielders that went last summer. Parker went for 7.5 million, Reo-coker went for 8.5 million etc. We have to pay the money. These teams are in our bracket and have no problem paying the money for players who quite frankly aren't in Manny's league.

If we are going to move on as a club then we need to take chances. Fernandes currently on form is better than what we have and at 22 as alot of time to develop and get even better.

 

[TX Bill]

I'd have no problem paying 10 million to be honest. You look around at midfielders that went last summer. Parker went for 7.5 million, Reo-coker went for 8.5 million etc. We have to pay the money. These teams are in our bracket and have no problem paying the money for players who quite frankly aren't in Manny's league.

If we are going to move on as a club then we need to take chances. Fernandes currently on form is better than what we have and at 22 as alot of time to develop and get even better.

Agreed.

I understand people saying "don't pay more than ______ for Fernandes" but then when the discussion turns to "sign Player X instead" no one can come up with Player X and if they do, they fail to mention that in all likelihood, Player X would cost as much if not more than Manny anyway.

When it comes down to it, there really aren't many alternatives for the money and I think a lot of folks aren't willing to admit that.

 

[Desaparecido]

Fernandes to me, whilst he can play very well, has been disappointing for me this time around. He played much better in his first spell with us. This time he has played in a way that signals an undesirable attitude, for example pulling out of 50/50s, agitating to come off when he's taken a knock, being slow on the ball and being dispossessed as many times as making a pass. He also seems fairly injury prone.

I think he's the incredible sulk of our team, and that he's hampering his own play and therefore ours. Why is he sulking if he is? Does he think he's too good for Everton? Does he want to move somewhere else? Paradoxically his best means of attracting interest is to stop sulking and bring consistency to his game.

Everyone can see that he is able to play very well as an attacking midfielder. He assisted two of the goals yesterday for a start. But I wonder whether Everton are really able to sort out the issues he seems to be having, and if it is worth spending what I think would be a large part of the transfer budget with that uncertainty.

I don't think Valencia are going to roll over about the transfer fee either to be honest, a lower price of course would be better, but they're not mugs. If they are in financial difficulty they're going to sell their assets for as much as possible. I don't think they'll just accept (say) £7million for him.

So, I think perhaps we should look to buy someone else, albeit with similar qualities, but more, a reliable player with a bit of grit, a bit more leadership, or at least someone who doesn't sulk.

Like Lucho Gonzalez

 

[TX Bill]

I don't think that he thinks he's too good for Everton. If that were the case, he wouldn't have come back on loan and potentially subjected himself to whatever the supporters might throw his way based on how he left us.

I think the attitude issue with Manny has been a bit overblown. I think it was more of a confidence and fitness issue with him. Sure, he was frustrated on the pitch a few times and he let it show. But I also think that is something that Moyes can work on. He wouldn't be the first Everton player I've seen show his frustrations on the pitch.

No player is perfect and Manny has his warts like everyone else.

I just don't think his warts are bad enough to scare off Moyes. If Moyes thought he'd be a problem like a Bellamy or a Barton, he (Manny) never would have stepped foot inside of Goodison again. Moyes wouldn't have risked it and risked unsettling the squad.

I think that you're spot on where Valencia are concerned and it's wishful thinking we could get him in the 5-6M range but hey, we can dream can't we?

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Fernandes to me, whilst he can play very well, has been disappointing for me this time around. He played much better in his first spell with us. This time he has played in a way that signals an undesirable attitude, for example pulling out of 50/50s, agitating to come off when he's taken a knock, being slow on the ball and being dispossessed as many times as making a pass. He also seems fairly injury prone.

I think he's the incredible sulk of our team, and that he's hampering his own play and therefore ours. Why is he sulking if he is? Does he think he's too good for Everton? Does he want to move somewhere else? Paradoxically his best means of attracting interest is to stop sulking and bring consistency to his game.

Everyone can see that he is able to play very well as an attacking midfielder. He assisted two of the goals yesterday for a start. But I wonder whether Everton are really able to sort out the issues he seems to be having, and if it is worth spending what I think would be a large part of the transfer budget with that uncertainty.

I don't think Valencia are going to roll over about the transfer fee either to be honest, a lower price of course would be better, but they're not mugs. If they are in financial difficulty they're going to sell their assets for as much as possible. I don't think they'll just accept (say) £7million for him.

So, I think perhaps we should look to buy someone else, albeit with similar qualities, but more, a reliable player with a bit of grit, a bit more leadership, or at least someone who doesn't sulk.

Like Lucho Gonzalez

Couldn't that be down to lack of match practice, lack of confidence, lack of fitness etc? Everyone always seems to bring up attitude when it comes to Manny without ever backing it up.

Nothing ever been said about his attitude here, he's never moaned to the media and Moyes wouldn't have taken him twice if he had this so called bad attitide. Moyes studies backgrounds of players and if Fernandes was as bad as people make him out to be he wouldn't be here.

Injuries also comes into it. He had an injury before he came hear, played through the Brann game when he was a major doubt and obviously aggravated it against City when he came on.

If you watched the City game he was taken from the side by Gelson Fernandes and done the splits. He tried to shake if off and obviously couldn't. I don't see the problem in that. If he'd have carried on we would have been playing with 10 players and that isn't the way to go nor did he want to make the injury any worse.

He has been slow on the ball but of late he hasn't lost the ball in dangerous areas which points to lack of match practice. He showed when he's fit last season and in this end of season spell that when he's fitter he rarely loses the ball.

Realisctically there aren't many options better than him. Why would Lucho Gonzalez come to us? He could move to a much bigger club, get paid alot of money and be guaranteed Champions League football.

Fact is we can't buy class players in there pomp. The closest we can get is potentially excellent players. If Manny was at his peak he wouldn't even realisctically join us. He'd be out of our range.

 

[Nebbiolo]

I'd have no problem paying 10 million to be honest. You look around at midfielders that went last summer. Parker went for 7.5 million, Reo-coker went for 8.5 million etc. We have to pay the money. These teams are in our bracket and have no problem paying the money for players who quite frankly aren't in Manny's league.

If we are going to move on as a club then we need to take chances. Fernandes currently on form is better than what we have and at 22 as alot of time to develop and get even better.

But the two players you mentioned are established British players, and it's often the case that these types come with a premium on their heads. Manny, on the other hand, is a young Portugese lad learning his craft. Valencia paid well over the odds for him last year, and then couldn't wait to ship him off to us. Make no doubt, if he'd been rated, then he would have stayed over in Spain helping out a relegation threatened team.

I think the £10m you mention is far too much for a player that has not yet proved his value. We're not Chelsea or Man Utd and cannot risk losing such a large sum. In saying that, I'd be happy to gamble something like £7m if Moyes is happy he can work with Manny.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

But the two players you mentioned are established British players, and it's often the case that these types come with a premium on their heads. Manny, on the other hand, is a young Portugese lad learning his craft. Valencia paid well over the odds for him last year, and then couldn't wait to ship him off to us. Make no doubt, if he'd been rated, then he would have stayed over in Spain helping out a relegation threatened team.

I think the £10m you mention is far too much for a player that has not yet proved his value. We're not Chelsea or Man Utd and cannot risk losing such a large sum. In saying that, I'd be happy to gamble something like £7m if Moyes is happy he can work with Manny.

He played 20 odd games last season in the Premiership and was good for both us and Portsmouth. Ask Pompy fans if you don't believe me. Harry Redknapp rated him, compared him to Paul Ince if I remember correctly yet wasn't willing to play 12 million for him which I can understand.

He's also got a pedigree in European football that neither Reo-coker or Parker have. He played in Europe every year he was at Benfica and competed in a Champions League semi final at 19. He's won titles and cups at Benfica aswell. He's been capped by the Portuguese national team and is there under 21 captain. He's alot more than a Portuguese lad learning his craft in my opinion.

Valencia hardly played him so how can they judge how good he is. Koeman came in and that was virtually the end for him. Koeman had a well docemented falling out with him and obviously wanted to have a clear out. If they really wanted to give him a chance surely they would have played him.

We can't afford to spend 18-20 million on him no because where not Utd or Chelsea but 8-10 million is nothing in todays football. If where not willing to spend that on players then we have no ambition as a club.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Valencia hardly played him so how can they judge how good he is. Koeman came in and that was virtually the end for him. Koeman had a well docemented falling out with him and obviously wanted to have a clear out. If they really wanted to give him a chance surely they would have played him.

We can't afford to spend 18-20 million on him no because where not Utd or Chelsea but 8-10 million is nothing in todays football. If where not willing to spend that on players then we have no ambition as a club.

I agree to a point in that there are signs that Manny could be gem in the future. But there is a question mark over his attitude and whether he can always be bothered to give his best. Perhaps Koeman couldn't handle him because of that? But then, is Moyes always the best at handling players with egos? He's had some failures, and some successes. Only Moyes can properly judge how the two of them will pan out.

I also realise that £10m isn't a huge amount in footballing terms. But to Everton, it would total at least half, if not more, of next years budget.

In saying that, you might be fully correct and I admit to sort of wanting to throw caution to the wind and grab this lad even at the price you mentioned. I'm just cautious and want what little money we have to be spent wisely.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I agree to a point in that there are signs that Manny could be gem in the future. But there is a question mark over his attitude and whether he can always be bothered to give his best. Perhaps Koeman couldn't handle him because of that? But then, is Moyes always the best at handling players with egos? He's had some failures, and some successes. Only Moyes can properly judge how the two of them will pan out.

I also realise that £10m isn't a huge amount in footballing terms. But to Everton, it would total at least half, if not more, of next years budget.

In saying that, you might be fully correct and I admit to sort of wanting to throw caution to the wind and grab this lad even at the price you mentioned. I'm just cautious and want what little money we have to be spent wisely.

To be honest Koeman falls out with alot of his players. Everywhere he goes he causes trouble which is why he's not liked by fans of clubs he's managed. PSV hate him, Benfica hate him and so do Ajax.

Does Fernandes have an ego? There's been no proof whatsoever. People base it mostly on the fact that he doesn't work hard and run around like a headless chicken.

Yakubu was also critisised unfairly because of this. What fans have to remember is every player is different and they all act differently on the pitch. Fernandes is obviously a laid back personality in my opinion.

From what I've read Fernandes is supposedly well liked in the squad. Alot of our players where supposedly looking forward to linking up with him again as was Moyes.

We don't know what the budget will be yet. If its 15-20 million then I'd agree siging Fernandes wouldn't be an option. But saying that I'd rather buy two quality players for 20 million instead of buying three of four decent players for 20 million.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Well as you know, im not a fan of manny what so ever!! Thing is, you can tell he has a lot of class about him. MoM yesterday in my opinian. His ability can't be question'd it's just his attatude once again.

As the games have rolled by, he's been getting better an better. He still seems to wander in an out of games thou. Which is so frustrating as when he plays well he's top notch.

Should we buy him??...........

Well i still say NO. I'd rather spend the money on some one who wants to were the shirt. Theirs been some daft stuff write on this thread like he'll be a world beater. Not a chance, he's not got the right head on his sholders to be that.But he does have undoubted qualitys, i would'nt mind a season long loan. But to pay any were near £10m would be crazy.

His heart just is'nt in it, an his head just is'nt right. Shame really as he just does'nt understand how fortunate he is to lead such a great life. Just wish he'd pull his sock up an battle every game. He could be a great.

Well hopfully the gaffer will do the right thing. An what ever he chooses i'll go along with.